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This is a machine architecture, according to the diagram, and according to various books. It needs to be rewritten, to distinguish that this is not a CPU architecture. (hence the CPU is a unit in this model, not the entirety of the model). I/O devices, main memory and the CPU all exist on a system bus to communicate with one another, the system bus is composed of data lines, address lines and control lines. That is the standard way that PCs are built on when the system bus was a local bus (ie. the original IBM PC, when simplified to a basic diagram)
So what the article describes is wrong, thus efforts to find references supporting its notability are also flawed since the search terms used do not accurately summarise the topic's essentials? Rilak (talk) 04:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I left a note about it at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computing, and someone has already said that deletion is not uncontroversial. What the article describes is a model where the CPU is a concept that exists, whereas in the original VNA, the concept of the CPU does not exist, since the VNA predates the CPU. This article is about a computer architecture, that includes the concept of a CPU, and is in many different books, called derivative of the Von Neumann architecture, and in other books, is classified as a Von Neumann architecture. The description, as sparse as it is, is meaningfully accurate except for its statement about combining the ALU with the CPU, which is wrong. It combines the ALU and the CU (control unit). 76.66.200.95 (talk) 10:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
IIRC, von Nuemann proposed a computer system comprised of five? "parts" which he called organs: "central arithmetic", "central control", memory, input, and output. What does this have to do in addressing the notability of the system bus model? Nothing, just like your comment. Rilak (talk) 08:35, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
IMHO: unless I'm missing something where it is already described, it should stay (such concept is mentioned, even if not by this name, in every second book on computer architecture), and should be cross-referenced with Symmetric multiprocessing and Front-side bus (both are implementations of this model, even if in wide sense). Ipsign (talk) 05:11, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I fail to understand why you are explaining to me what the von Neumann architecture is. My issue with this article is WP:N. My issue is not with this article is not with its content (I don't care what it says, I care about how notable it is). The editor who removed the PROD claimed that there were many references of the topic, which is the system bus model. If this is the case, then why did my searches return a mere handful of results? I expect to be presented with references or with the search terms used to produce the reported results. Rilak (talk) 06:21, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, as I've stated above: I support keeping this article, and there is clearly no consensus on deletion; per WP:DEL#Proposed deletion, anybody disagreeing can simply remove the PROD tag, which has been done by 76.66.200.95 (and which I would do myself if I'd run into it). In addition, I don't see how argument "why did my searches return a mere handful of results?" can possibly be relevant to article being not notable; as I see it, article can be proven notable via references, but not vice versa. In addition, it can easily be a case of notable subject but not notable article title here (which may qualify it for renaming instead of deletion). What I know (personally) is that such concept does exist (and how it is named, is another story which I don't really want to be involved into); on the other hand, proving its notability is beyond my interests right now; what I know is that there is clearly no consensus for deletion. Ipsign (talk) 07:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. I give up. Present evidence that the term "system bus model" is notable else the article will go to AfD. If the "system bus model" is an obscure synonym, then redirect/move/merge it somewhere. Rilak (talk) 08:35, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I hope author will provide evidence, if not - see you on AfD discussion. BTW, I wouldn't object to renaming this article or to merging it (for example, into an article on von Neumann architecture); I have no idea if it is worth its own article, but feel that somewhere on Wiki this concept should be described, and therefore that deleting this information completely wouldn't be a good thing. Ipsign (talk) 09:19, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
