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Category:Bulgarian musicians by populated place
- Nominator's rationale: duel upmerge, redundant category layer SMasonGarrison 23:38, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
Merge per nom.Marcocapelle (talk) 04:30, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Meanwhile it is no longer applicable, see below. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:08, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- I've put six categories that were in directly Category:Bulgarian musicians so now it works. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 08:37, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- But there is also Category:Bulgarian musical groups by populated place where no other possible subcategories exist. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 09:12, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Category:Bulgarian musical groups by populated place will require a separate nomination. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:35, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:Albanian soldiers
- Propose merging Category:Albanian soldiers to Category:Albanian military personnel
- Nominator's rationale: What's the difference between soldiers and military personnel? Clarityfiend (talk) 23:19, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Agree that it seems to be a case of WP:OCMISC but is a huge tree that needs to be nominated. Marcocapelle (talk)
Category:Entomology journals and magazines
- Propose renaming Category:Entomology journals and magazines to Category:Entomology journals
- Nominator's rationale: Parent is Zoology journals and main category is List of entomology journals SMasonGarrison 22:40, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:33, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- 'Rename per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:12, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Category:Misconduct by Buddhist clergy
- Nominator's rationale: Vaguely defined category. SMasonGarrison 22:37, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- How is it vaguely defined? We also have Category:Misconduct by Christian clergy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Invokingvajras (talk) 23:34, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Purge and merge to Category:Buddhist clergy, like its Christian counterpart it should not directly contain biograhies, and after purging there is only one subcategory left. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:39, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- See also this follow-up discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_October_28#Category:Misconduct_by_Christian_clergy. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:20, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Split to Category:Scandals in Buddhist organizations and to Category:Buddhists involved in controversies (or if despite WP:COPSEP that one gets merged, then Category:Buddhism-related controversies). Move subcat Buddhist clergy convicted of crimes up into Buddhist clergy. – Fayenatic London 11:02, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- That is fine with me too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:12, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:Armenian aviators
:* Propose merging Category:Armenian aviators to Category:Asian aviators and Category:Aviation in Armenia
:* Propose merging Category:Albanian aviators to Category:European aviators and Category:Aviation in Albania
- Propose merging Category:Bahamian aviators to Category:North American aviators
- Propose merging Category:Bahraini aviators to Category:Asian aviators and Category:Aviation in Bahrain
- Propose merging Category:Bhutanese aviators to Category:Asian aviators
- Propose merging Category:Bruneian aviators to Category:Asian aviators and Category:Aviation in Brunei
- Propose merging Category:Dominican Republic aviators to Category:North American aviators and Category:Aviation in the Dominican Republic
- Propose merging Category:Emirati aviators to Category:Asian aviators and Category:Aviation in the United Arab Emirates
- Propose merging Category:Ethiopian aviators to Category:African aviators and Category:Aviation in Ethiopia
- Propose merging Category:Grenadian aviators to Category:North American aviators
- Propose merging Category:Guatemalan aviators to Category:North American aviators and Category:Aviation in Guatemala
- Propose merging Category:Guinean aviators to Category:African aviators
:* Propose merging Category:Kyrgyzstani aviators to Category:Asian aviators and Category:Aviation in Kyrgyzstan
- Propose merging Category:Malawian aviators to Category:African aviators
- Propose merging Category:Mozambican aviators to Category:African aviators
- Propose merging Category:Nigerien aviators to Category:African aviators
- Propose merging Category:Panamanian aviators to Category:North American aviators and Category:Aviation in Panama
- Propose merging Category:Rwandan aviators to Category:African aviators and Category:Aviation in Rwanda
- Propose merging Category:South Sudanese aviators to Category:African aviators and Category:Aviation in South Sudan
- Propose merging Category:Uzbekistani aviators to Category:Asian aviators and Category:Aviation in Uzbekistan
- Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 22:05, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Just delete, the article would be better off in the tree of Category:Soviet aviators but happens already to be in Category:Soviet World War II pilots. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:12, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, please note I have now expanded the nomination. LibStar (talk) 22:18, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Ah ok, my comment only applies to Category:Armenian aviators. I will have a look at the remainder tomorrow. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:28, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'm striking out Category:Armenian and Kyrgyzstani... as additional entries have been added. LibStar (talk) 23:50, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Ah ok, my comment only applies to Category:Armenian aviators. I will have a look at the remainder tomorrow. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:28, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, please note I have now expanded the nomination. LibStar (talk) 22:18, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- I've added an Albanian. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:10, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:Indonesian politicians of Middle Eastern descent
- Nominator's rationale: All people in this category are actually of Arab descent, so it would be better to name the category more accurately. Hassan697 (talk) 21:38, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Alt rename to Category:Indonesian politicians of West Asian descent, consistent with Category:Indonesian people of West Asian descent. Oppose "Arab" per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:18, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Then I would rather prefer a double upmerge to Category:Indonesian people of Arab descent and Category:Indonesian politicians of Asian descent. Category:Indonesian people of West Asian descent I plan to propose to merge to Category:Indonesian people of Asian descent similar to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 17#Category:American people of West Asian descent Hassan697 (talk) 22:35, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- If the West Asian descent tree as a whole is going to be merged to Asian descent then the Indonesian subcats will be moved with it. That does not change the outcome of this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- A parallel merge to Category:Indonesian people of Arab descent seems ok, also considering there is an article about Arab Indonesians. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Then I would rather prefer a double upmerge to Category:Indonesian people of Arab descent and Category:Indonesian politicians of Asian descent. Category:Indonesian people of West Asian descent I plan to propose to merge to Category:Indonesian people of Asian descent similar to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 17#Category:American people of West Asian descent Hassan697 (talk) 22:35, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Indonesian people of Arab descent per discussion above. If the Arab identity is defining for these individuals, then this is how it should be reflected in categories. The intersection with politics if trivial per WP:OCEGRS, and all these articles must already be in more precise politician categories. In the spirit of consensus, I would prefer a double merge, with Category:Indonesian politicians of Asian descent as a second target, to a status quo, but I don't feel that even this intersection is really defining for these articles. Place Clichy (talk) 15:21, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:Fathers of Medicare
- Nominator's rationale: Category for a non-defining characteristic. These people did not work together collectively to develop Canada's health insurance system, but rather each acted on their own in some capacity in different political bodies at different times, so they don't constitute a defined or organized group that get covered or analyzed in aggregate -- "father of medicare" is just a term that some of them have been labelled with, not an encyclopedically notable concept. Even the "head" article is based entirely on sources that individually ascribe the people with that term rather than sources which cover them all together as a group, so it doesn't demonstrate that there's a categorizable concept here either. Bearcat (talk) 20:10, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
Eponyms in mathematics round 2
- Propose deleting Category:Eponymous curves (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Eponymous theorems of mathematics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Lists of things named after mathematicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Eponyms in geometry (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Eponymous functions (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Eponymous equations of mathematics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Eponymous numbers in mathematics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Eponymous algorithms of mathematics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Eponymous geometric shapes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Eponymous theorems of geometry (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Nomination on behalf of David Eppstein per discussion following Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 October 24 § Category:Eponyms in mathematics. I will let him provide a substantive rationale. Best, BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 19:14, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete all except Lists of things named after mathematicians. Both the intent of this group nomination and the "substantive rationale" are exactly the same as in the first nomination. To save others the time of following links I'll copy it again here:
- Not defining. A huge number of topics in mathematics are named after mathematicians; it is not a distinguishing characteristic of these topics. This and the subhierarchy under it were created in 2023 by an editor who was subsequently blocked for creating spurious categories, DinosaursLoveExistence (talk · contribs), and has been recently populated by 185.100.88.213 (talk · contribs), whose contributions appear to be primarily or only adding to categories created by the blocked editor. The parent category, Category:Eponyms, has text warning against this exact type of category: "Since many medical conditions, sports moves, bridge and chess techniques, buildings, prizes, and other things have been named after people, these are not included in this category, as categorization on the basis of having been named for a person is considered to be overcategorization based on trivial aspects of the article."
- As for "Lists of things named after mathematicians": both the first nomination discussion and its post-close discussion clearly state that this category is ok and should not be deleted. I do not know why the nominator chose to ignore this part of the request and do not think this category should be deleted. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:04, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete all except Lists of things named after mathematicians. Both the intent of this group nomination and the "substantive rationale" are exactly the same as in the first nomination. To save others the time of following links I'll copy it again here:
- Delete all except Lists of things named after mathematicians per David. The lists are there and clearly belong together. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:22, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge all Some contents, such as Quadratrix of Hippias in the curves and shapes categories, aren't in other subcategories of the parents. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:42, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- I think this is very exceptional. Is there an easy way to identify articles for which this applies? Then they should be recategorized manually. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- Probably this can be done with WP:PETSCAN. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:18, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
- I think this is very exceptional. Is there an easy way to identify articles for which this applies? Then they should be recategorized manually. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:Asesino albums
- Nominator's rationale: Both albums are non-notable redirects to the band's page. Genres are not sourced, so albums can be added to albums by American artists. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 05:18, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:57, 27 October 2025 (UTC)- Delete per nomination. -Samoht27 (talk) 19:17, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:12, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Category:Fiction set in extraterrestrial oceans
- Propose merging Category:Fiction set in extraterrestrial oceans to Category:Works set on oceans
- Nominator's rationale: It's not clear if this passes WP:CROSSCAT and it is also a WP:NARROWCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:34, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge The two categories intersect. LDW5432 (talk) 19:20, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:NARROWCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:57, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Works set on oceans is sub-divided by location as an appropriate use of WP:OCLOCATION. For the works in question, the extraterrestial location surely is a defining characteristic as suggested by WP:CAT#D. Arguably, being set on an extraterrestial location is at least as relevant as being set on the ocean. Having our examples in the parent category as not fitting into any of the terrestial oceans and seems more confusing than having the category with relatively few members. (And if we included members of Category:Fiction set on ocean planets in the count, they are not so few.) Daranios (talk) 15:02, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- The two film articles should be moved to subCategory:Films set on oceans (this is also relevant for the closer of this discussion!). Since in that category we already have 7 articles not localized, adding another 2 more articles there will not harm. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. -- Just N. (talk) 21:20, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:06, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge Essentially WP:NARROWCAT. Both films are already in a category about an extraterrestial setting (respectively Category:Films set on fictional moons and Category:Fiction set on Europa (moon)). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:20, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:American city council members by city
- Nominator's rationale: parent is American politicians by populated place SMasonGarrison 14:20, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. LDW5432 (talk) 19:34, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:25, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- Agree but would Category:City council members in the United States be a better naming scheme for the category and its parent as they are office holders (cf. Category:County commissioners in the United States ). Kaffet i halsen (talk) 10:56, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. -- Just N. (talk) 21:00, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Kaffet i halsen's alt?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:03, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Kaffet i halsen has a good point, it is not American nationality of these people, it should become Category:City council members in the United States. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'm fine with either name. SMasonGarrison 22:38, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- I tag the following four to this discussion (there are also other categories but I think these are fitting to what has been discussed so far):
- Category:American city council members to Category:City council members in the United States
- Category:American city council members by state to Category:City council members in the United States by state
- Category:American LGBTQ city council members to Category:LGBTQ city council members in the United States
- Category:Northern Mariana Islands city council members to Category:City council members in the Northern Mariana Islands
- Support those too, for the same reason as before. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:Fictional political parties
- Propose merging Category:Fictional political parties to Category:Fictional organizations
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT, most are redirects. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:26, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- If merged, also merge to Category:Fiction about politics. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. -- Just N. (talk) 21:23, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge to Category:Fiction about politics as well?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:58, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:Years of the 19th century in the German Confederation
- Nominator's rationale: rename, specification of century is unnecessary because the German Confederation entirely existed within one century. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:10, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:56, 27 October 2025 (UTC)- Rename per nom. LDW5432 (talk) 19:40, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:Expatriate architects in Spain
- Propose merging Category:Expatriate architects in Spain to Category:Expatriate architects
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. underpopulated category SMasonGarrison 12:19, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:25, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:44, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Category:Gender by topic
- Propose merging Category:Gender by topic to Category:Gender
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer with only one sub-cat. – Fayenatic London 11:27, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge, Much wider category. -Samoht27 (talk) 19:19, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:26, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 15:22, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:44, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Films about the mass media
- Propose renaming Category:Films about the mass media in India to Category:Films about mass media in India
- Propose renaming Category:Films about the mass media in Mexico to Category:Films about mass media in Mexico
- Propose renaming Category:Films about the mass media in the United Kingdom to Category:Films about mass media in the United Kingdom
- Propose renaming Category:Films about the mass media in the United States to Category:Films about mass media in the United States
- Nominator's rationale: The phrase "about the mass media" should either be "about mass media" or "about the media". The hierarchy of Category:Mass media uses "mass" except for War and the media, Works about the media and its subcats. Perhaps we should rename and redirect those to use "mass media" – comments are welcome here on proposals for that parent hierarchy. – Fayenatic London 10:59, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. The new name is more clear. LDW5432 (talk) 19:41, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:44, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Category:Swazi Orthodox rabbis
- Propose merging Category:Swazi Orthodox rabbis to Category:Swazi Jews
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article in this category, this is not helpful for navigation between related articles. There is no need for a merge into the Orthodox rabbis tree because the article is already in Category:Haredi rabbis in Israel. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 15:22, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:45, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Category:Individual organisms by country
- Propose merging Category:Individual organisms by country to Category:Categories by country
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT with only 2 categories. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:34, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:45, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Category:Taxa named by Wu Hsien-Wen
- Propose renaming Category:Taxa named by Wu Hsien-Wen to Category:Taxa named by Hsien-wen Wu
- Nominator's rationale: Per main article (Hsien-wen Wu). ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 02:45, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Being Chinese, shouldn't her family name come first?
- Phil Fish (talk) 02:54, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Phil Fish: if you think the article name is wrong you should start an RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Phil Fish: That depends, see also eastern name order. ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 22:30, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:People related to Jōdo Shinshū
- Propose renaming Category:People related to Jōdo Shinshū to Category:People associated with Jōdo Shinshū
- Nominator's rationale: "Related to" reads to me like a family, rather than associated with. SMasonGarrison 02:36, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Equally fine with me. SMasonGarrison 22:38, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:Buddhists involved in controversies
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer. upmerge for now SMasonGarrison 01:38, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
Merge per nom.Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 27 October 2025 (UTC)- Keep and populate, moving biographies down from the parent Category:Buddhism-related controversies, because WP:SEPARATE says "Keep articles about people separate." This one is probably also required as a merge target for Category:Misconduct by Buddhist clergy, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 October 27#Category:Misconduct by Buddhist clergy. Note that there is a well-populated counterpart at Category:Christians involved in controversies. – Fayenatic London 11:08, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Ah, I had not noticed the biographies in the parent category that can be moved to here. Then the category can obviously be kept. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:Austrian carcinologists
- Propose merging Category:Austrian carcinologists to Category:Carcinologists and Category:Austrian zoologists
- Propose merging Category:Belgian carcinologists to Category:Carcinologists and Category:Belgian zoologists
- Propose merging Category:South African carcinologists to Category:Carcinologists and Category:South African zoologists
- Propose merging Category:South Korean carcinologists to Category:Carcinologists and Category:South Korean zoologists
- Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 01:29, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
Category:Maltese zoologists
- Propose merging Category:Maltese zoologists to Category:Zoologists and Category:Maltese biologists
- Propose merging Category:Salvadoran zoologists to Category:Zoologists and Category:Salvadoran scientists
- Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 01:13, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 27 October 2025 (UTC)