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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Springee (talk | contribs) at 03:15, 21 May 2025 (SPLC Hatewatch "blog": Reply). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

"alleged attacks"

"The suit stems from multiple alleged attacks on Ngo in Portland during 2019" How it's alleged if it can be proven(and is) true? Antifa have assaulted him and even went after him in hospital after he hospitalized because of their previous attack 86.124.122.29 (talk) 17:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It has not been proven yet. Reliable sources almost always refer to matters of fact that have yet to be determined by courts as alleged. Wikipedia editors are not allowed to weigh evidence and determine facts and instead rely on what reliable sources report. TFD (talk) 20:16, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Ngo is clearly a journalist or citizen journalist

The lead already calls him a journalist. Just not in the first sentence. No action required.

The opening sentence reads "Andy Cuong Ngo is an American right-wing social media influencer, who is known for covering and video-recording demonstrators." "Influencer" is not a common English word but rather a modern slang term. In fact the hyperlink in this article to "influencer" in the first sentence of this article, redirects to "Internet Celebrity". Such a slang term is not encyclopedic.

Going back in time this article described Ngo originally as a journalist, then at some point "an American right-wing journalist, author, and social media influencer", then at some point, "right-wing author and social media influencer", then at some point "right-wing social media influencer". The opening sentence has piece by piece trimmed the more respectworthy occupations of journalist and author from his description, leaving only "social media 'influencer'". Clearly there is fishy business going on in this padlocked article. Even putting all the fishy business to the side, "influencer" is not a plain English word, and its referent is not at all clear.120.88.155.223 (talk) 18:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read more than one sentence of the lede before posting here. Also please read the RFC that determined this presentation: [1] Simonm223 (talk) 18:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Influencer is as much a common/plain English word as respectworthy is (respectworthy is archaic, you will only find it used once in the entire corpus of wikipedia... influencer is used tens of thousands of times). Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:55, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SPLC Hatewatch "blog"

Peter Gulutzan, PackMecEng and TarnishedPath, regarding this edit, please note that SPLC Hatewatch is no longer described as a "blog". A source will need to be provided to support that description, otherwise it will be removed. –dlthewave 02:35, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When did the change occur? Was it a blog at the time it reported on Ngo? I think the Ngo article is from 2020. Here is a Rolling Stone article from 2022 that still says Hatewatch Blog [2]. Here is a CMU researcher working for SPLC talking about working for the Hatewatch Blog [3]. Here is a Jan 2024 SPLC article that calls it Hatewatch blog [4]. This is a 2021 Atlanta area news article that calls it a blog [5]. 2021 BI [6]. June 2020 SPLC article [7]. The Grayzone in 2021 [8]. For what it's worth, the Grayzone article talks about a Hatewatch writer who's work was retracted by the SPLC for various issues. That would suggest they aren't putting much oversight into those reports. I think it's fair to say at least at the time of the article "Hatewatch" was described as a blog. If it's no longer described as such when did the change occur? Springee (talk) 03:15, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]