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The result was keep‎. asilvering (talk) 21:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Nelson Ruiz

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No sign of notability, this was a WP:LUGSTUBS created from a database entry. No sign of notability from a search. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Venezuela. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

  Comment I accidentally marked this as a cricket article when I meant boxing, sorry. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Boxing, and Olympics. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Boxing at the 1968 Summer Olympics – Light welterweight My search found no evidence to show he meets WP:GNG or WP:NBOX or any other SNG. The redirect is to the most likely search target. Papaursa (talk) 17:19, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:35, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete:Irrelevant, the rest is expressed--Alon9393 (talk) 18:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

  Expressed how? Where? This is not correct English, please take more time to expand your argument, maybe even referring to one or more policies like Papaursa above. Geschichte (talk) 20:47, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

  Alon9393, Geschichte is correct, this argument doesn't make sense, isn't grounded in any of our policies and doesn't rely on a review of exising or potential sources. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:33, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Geschichte, @Liz This article is written/published as a Draft I only have to object that it does not have an encyclopedic context. Alon9393 (talk) 20:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect, per Papaursa. Does not demonstrably meet GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 02:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• WeakKeep: These sources [1][2] give more information on his career, with the former saying that he achieved at least 15 KO and that he lost to Eddie Perkins in 1972 (already mentioned in said article), being undefeated until then. This other article also mentions Ruiz as an important boxer along with Carlos Morocho Hernández and Edwin Valero: [3], although I have already argued in the past that Diario Vea is not a reliable source. Last but not least, this reference suggests that there's a regional "Nelson Ruiz Cup" in the state of Carabobo named in his honor: [4]

My experience with this kind of articles about sportspeople is that there should be way more information in bibliographical sources, but I'm sadly not in a position to confirm that in this case. --NoonIcarus (talk) 07:53, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Not seeing the notability in the aforementioned coverage. The first is a "50 years ago today in boxing" article which describes Ruiz's knockout loss to Perkins in a non-title fight. Perkins had lost his world title 8 years and 38 fights earlier. The second source is his database entry at boxrec.com (which shows him with a pro career of 11 fights). The third source is a passing mention of Ruiz, and the fourth mentions a boxing cup event named after him in his hometown. Sorry, but I'm not seeing coverage that shows me WP:GNG is met. Papaursa (talk) 22:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment I'm striking my "Weak" vote after looking in Google Books and finding two more sources:

• Salas H., Alexis (1985). Momentos inolvidables del béisbol profesional venezolano, 1946-1984. ISBN 9789802651443.: Ese mismo día, 4 de noviembre de 1972, el boxeador peso ligero Nelson Ruiz, imponía un récord, al convertirse el colombiano Milton Méndez en su décimo quinto knock out consecutivo (On the same day, 4 November 1972, lightweight boxer Nelson Ruiz set a record when Colombian Milton Méndez became his 15th consecutive knockout.)
• Cárdenas Lares, Carlos; García, Giner (1990). Venezolanos en el ring. Texas University: Editores Torino. ISBN 9789802659920.: [...] con las presentaciones del entonces peso welter carabobeño Nelson Ruiz ante el colombiano Linfer Contreras y el mosca Luis "Lumumba" ([...] with the presentations of the then Carabobo welterweight Nelson Ruiz against the Colombian Linfer Contreras and the flyweight Luis "Lumumba").

These sources, along with the ones provided below, lead me to conclude that the subject meets WP:SIGCOV. The references back that he achieved fifteen consecutive knockouts, comparible maybe only to Edwin Valero, and suggests he is a significant boxer in Venezuela.

Pinging @Allan Nonymous:, @Papaursa:, @Geschichte: and @JoelleJay:, to learn if their position has changed due to the sources provided recently. --NoonIcarus (talk) 14:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Given the great work done here by User:NoonIcarus I'm convinced a keep may be the best option. I'm not going to withdraw the nomination given there are others who are arguing redirect, but my opinion has changed. Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Regardless, thank you! --NoonIcarus (talk) 15:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, per NoonIcarus. Remember that not a single Venezuelan newspaper from his timeframe has been searched. When we have in-depth articles over 50 years after his career talking about his 'historic' fights and know that whole events were named in his honor, common sense indicates he's notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Boxing at the 1968 Summer Olympics – Light welterweight: Not convinced by the current sourcing that there is enough coverage here to meet the WP:GNG. The only source in the article is a database reference, while the only other sources provided in the discussion include another stats listing and a unreliable source in Diario Vea. We can only judge a article based on what sources are proven to exist, not uncovered sources which may or may not actually exist. The idea that someone has a event named after him should contribute to notability is also laughable to me as well. Plenty of people have things named after them, and that doesn't make them more notable than people who do not. Redirect this as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 12:51, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - @BeanieFan11 - I was able to find two articles on Nelson. 1 and 2. A third article says a school was named after him. There's also a brief mention of him here, here on page 22, here and they talk about the boxing competition named after him here. There is more than enough to make a full article on him now, so I will vote Keep. KatoKungLee (talk) 13:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Definitely meets WP:GNG and he is a notable boxer. I found another source of him in Newspapers.com, Ruiz, Palomino Rated Even for Bout at Olympic and another in Newspaper Archive KO's Ruiz. MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk) 20:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per sources unearthed by NoonIcarus and others above. They constitute a pass on WP:NSPORT. Good work. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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