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Draft:Noise militia questions

ok--got questions regarding 2nd declination of Draft:Noise militia

---is a song getting the guinness world record for longest song 'notable'? editor TheBirdShedsTears said It appears notable per its Guinness Records in the 1st declination on 7/23. then editor Sahaib3005 says This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article question notability. i'm confused.

--are not the Guinness world record page this song is included in as well as the LI Herald newspaper who did a feature on the song and artist about the record.

please help clear this up. thanks! 613codify (talk) 12:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

 613codify (talk) 12:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

One problem is Guinness: the difficulty is that the Guinness Book of Records is notorious as offering a record for almost anything: you can have "most teahouse questions asked in ten minutes" if you want, Guinness will probably put it in there. As such, merely appearing in the Guinness book of records won't establish notability. You'd need to find some other source that underlines that the record really is a notable one, and not just Guinnessfodder. Ideally, you'd want a music critic in a magazine saying "this is notable as the longest ever song (according to Guinness)", because once someone independent and meaningful has picked up on it, that's evidence that the world really cares. Elemimele (talk) 13:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Replacing an Image

Hello, can someone please add this pic: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lujaina_Mohsin.jpg to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lujaina_Mohsin_Darwish Right now it's a couple pic and having a single portrait will be better. GONvsKillua (talk) 13:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Done. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from Bodaskolan

could i be payed as a wikiedia editor. Bodaskolan (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Bodaskolan: Welcome to the Teahouse. By the Wikimedia Foundation? No. Everyone here volunteers to edit. Someone might reach out and offer payment in exchange for some editing, but then you'd be bound and restricted by Wikipedia's paid editing policy, one of which would be you virtually wouldn't be able to edit the pages in question directly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia itself (in other words, the Wikimedia Foundation) isn't going to pay you for editing Wikipedia. If you're getting paid to edit Wikipedia (as part of a job, for example) you should be aware of the policy surrounding paid contributions. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

list article chart

Hello again, Teahouse hosts--I've another question: How do I make the chart on THIS TABLE have columns all portioned as is the first section sub-titled 1577. The date column on the 1577 section is nicely formed so that the dates display well. However, all subsequent columns have a date column which is too narrow.

Please know this is my sandbox and I've not yet submitted the article. I'll do so shortly after I rectify this matter of column width. Most kind regardsHu Nhu (talk) 03:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 03:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: See Help:Table#Setting_column_widths. Just specify the columns the same width. Note that using pixel width "px" is discouraged in favor of percentages or em. If you don't know what an "em" is, see em (typography).

On a separate note, I'd not use thumb for the pictures in the table to get rid of that annoying border. Something like this: [[File:Plymouth Sound and Breakwater.jpg|200px]] ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 04:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Ganbaruby, I will look into the table setting assistance you mention. I certainly appreciate that you took an extra moment and saw the problematic border--yes, it was annoying--and offered a most excellent suggestion. the 200px took care of the matter very neatly. Thank you for your kind attention. Most kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 14:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

How does notability for software works?

I have come across several software-related articles in Wikipedia that have pretty much only primary sources and developer/user forums related-sources. One example would be Anki, there are several others in KDE Applications, which has tons of pages and its own category - and I just realized it has recently been proposed for deletion. I don't see anything that proves WP:N for these. From the looks of it, it is users and developers using Wikipedia as a resource for sharing things they work on, which is WP:NOT what Wikipedia is for. Am I missing something? Or should I propose pages similar to those for deletion? Thanks in advance. VdSV9•♫ 15:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

No, VdSV9, you're probably right: there's a huge amount of dross in Wikipedia that shouldn't be there, and you would be improving Wikipedia by dealing with some of it. But notice that "does not demonstrate notability" is not enough to delete an article - you need to do the diligence and establish that the subject does not in fact meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - see BEFORE. If an article is inadequate but salvageable, it can be draftified. --ColinFine (talk) 15:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Also, sadly, when things turn up at AfD, all it takes is a couple of determined editors to declare that the software is desperately notable, and a puzzled admin may be tempted to err on the side of caution and close the debate as 'no consensus' (which is true), in which case the article remains. If you come across a situation where a group of editors are apparently using Wikipedia as a resource to share things they work on, or promote them, then it is almost certain that those editors will oppose deletion, making 'no consensus' nearly inevitable. It is harder to change the status quo than do something new: Articles that wouldn't pass review to be created fresh, are nevertheless hard to delete. Elemimele (talk) 15:42, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Televion / Commercial Advertisments

Since television / commercial advertisements are also a part of any actor's or model's work. But are they considered and allowed to be mentioned here on Wikipedia if reliable sources are added? ManaliJain (talk) 14:21, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

If you're suggesting listing adverts they've appeared in like a list of shows, then no, Wikipedia doesn't do that. With reliable sources though, you can mention in prose that they've signed a multimillion pound contract, to be the face of Cooper's Creosote for the next five years. - X201 (talk) 14:52, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

And the usual measures of notability apply. Some adverts become almost works-of-art, permeating all corners of society, and infiltrating our culture (in the UK, SpecSavers, I'm looking at you, amongst others; the article on Toby Williams (comedian) quite rightly records his role as a short-sighted vet in the Specsavers adverts). If an advert becomes such a big part of our culture that the columnists of national newspapers write whole chunks about it, then the advert itself risks becoming article-worthy. Elemimele (talk) 16:02, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

How to request edit of "extended-confirmation protected" page: OneCoin

•  Courtesy link: OneCoin

How would I go about requesting an edit or addition to a page? It would be great if a line could be added to the OneCoin page stating "not to be confused with Harmony One", or along those lines. I can see editors who have edited it in the past, but no way to contact them directly. Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneCoin Jeffrice47 (talk) 17:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Jeffrice47: You can follow this link to make an edit request on the article talkpage, Talk:OneCoin. Please be aware that edit requests are intended to ask for a specific change to be made, not to request access to the article itself. I'll leave a welcome note on your user talkpage in a few seconds. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

How to propose a Category Rename/Redirect?

Hello, through a recent edit that showed up in my watchlist I would like to propose a category rename + redirect(?). Because a) I think it fits better, and b) is in line with other similar categories. How do I go about this? :) Do I post it on the talk page of said category or is there a more central place to do so? Thank you -- Mvbaron (talk) 06:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Mvbaron Hello, check out Wikipedia:Categories for discussion! You should also notify the creator and relevant projects. Twinkle automates a lot of that for you. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much! That's perfect. -- Mvbaron (talk) 17:43, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Review Articles

 Sum565 (talk) 16:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Sir can you told my why my article are not approved Draft:Sheikh Jubayer Hasan But the same category player articles are alive on Wikipedia Shakhir Hossain this article and my article are related but my article are not approved. there are play same luge and also debut T 20 cricket

@Sum565: Other stuff exists is rarely a good argument. We determine notability on a case by case basis. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Stack templates neatly on Talk page

How do I get multiple templates to stack neatly one above the other on a Talk page, instead of floating superimposed on each other? Lee Choquette (talk) 18:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Lee Choquette: The two templates you're using there, {{Translated page}} and {{Connected contributor}}, aren't designed to be side by side. We usually put the translated template below the connected contributor one to make the talk page more compact. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: Thanks, that did the trick! Now I know to play with the ordering next time. Lee Choquette (talk) 19:17, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Previous Created Page about a person Rejected and blocked for Same page creation again

Hello, username - Strange editor 2 I have Created a Article page 'Mohammed Shanooj' about a musician person, but it got rejected and deleted. But still after collecting lots of source, reference & news, i cant create same page again. Please Unblock me from Creating 'Mohammed Shanooj' page Strange editor 2 (talk) 18:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

You can create a draft and submit it for review. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Strange confirmed as sockpuppet of Mohammed Shanooj. David notMD (talk) 19:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

That didn't take long. --ARoseWolf 19:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Getting An Article Posted.

 Courtesy link: Draft:Hiram A. Murray

I wrote an article about myself and my career, article title "Hiram A. Murray". Was wondering how do I get it posted? Is it in the review process? Hirmurray (talk) 16:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Hirmurray and welcome to the Teahouse. It appears that Theroadislong left you some very good advice on both your submission and at your user talk page after you posted your question here. I would suggest consulting that information on how to proceed. Wikipedia strongly discourages the writing of autobiographies as articles here and many wrongly interpret Wikipedia as being a social media platform for them to create a "profile" by which they will generate more traffic their way. This is not the purpose or intent of Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia with articles about subjects that receive significant coverage in independent reliable secondary sources. To be blunt, Wikipedia does not want to know what you have to say about yourself but what verifiable independent sources have to say about you. (See WP:AUTOBIO, WP:N, WP:OR, and WP:V for starters) --ARoseWolf 16:33, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Huge amount of content, three itty-bitty references, heading toward Declined. And I am willing to bet a modest amount of money that Hirmurray, creator of the draft, did not take the three photos of Murray claimed as Own work.David notMD (talk) 19:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

First one looks like an executives profile picture. I'm not sure about the Marine Corps photo. The third one looks like it was taken during one of his interviews and may be copyrighted by whomever conducted the interview and the final one, now deleted, showing him and his family is cute but presented all kinds of BLP issues. In short, its possible it could be own works but it is equally possible one or more are a copyright violations. --ARoseWolf 19:54, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf How can any be "Own work" if the draft is by Hiram A. Murray and he claims he took the photos? None look like selfies. David notMD (talk) 20:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I guess its worth asking. Does "Own Work" literally mean it has to be a photo or picture taken by the subject or on a camera owned by the subject or just in possession of the subject? I've seen photo's added to user pages that were classified as "Own Work" yet are clearly not selfies. It's a valid question. --ARoseWolf 20:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Laurence Myers article contents appears in the wrong place

The contents section in the article I am writing has appeared in a different place. Not sure how that has happened...How can I move it back to the right area? Thanks for any helpVedlagt (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC) Vedlagt (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Vedlagt: Are you talking about the table of contents box? Don't worry about that, it is generated automatically and is only in the wrong place because of the draft banners. If your draft is approved the table of contents will be fine. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 22:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Laurence Myers

(edit conflict) @Vedlagt:  Fixed! GoingBatty (talk) 22:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Image Question

Can I upload this image? https://static.univision.com/fragments/noticias/home-locales/images/radio-stations/houston/depts-houston.png ItsJustdancefan (talk) 01:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan: You could use Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard to upload it, which will prompt you for the article name and the appropriate fair use criteria. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

List of 3D films

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § List of 3D films

 – —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:26, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello I have just one question and I was very unsure if this was the right place to ask. There's a particular page on Wikipedia called (List Of 3D Films 2005-Onwards) and there is a bunch of random IP address constantly adding things beyond 2021 which have no reliable sources. Is there a way the page can only be edited by certain users to prevent vandals from doing this again. Because it's getting really annoying having to constantly go through and remove these non-reliable adds. Signed MOVIEFAN2001 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MOVIEFAN2001 (talk • contribs)

You might want to check out requests for page protection! WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 02:59, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dr_Georgios_Mikellides

Why this is not published yet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dr_Georgios_Mikellides Ieromaxos (talk) 04:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

You need to submit the draft for review. I have done so for you. Kleinpecan (talk) 05:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Dr Georgios Mikellides submitted. could be soon or up to ten days to be reviewed. David notMD (talk) 05:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you