Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Peter morrell

Profession

I seem to be in a similar dispute regarding the article Profession. A few weeks ago, I replaced the unsource material with content obtained from an academic book, which I cited numerous times within the body of the article. I know find I am under attack for having not provided citations of my sources - see my talk page for details. Can I appeal for assistance with this dispute here? --Gavin Collins 06:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

This isn't the place to seek help for the issues that I read on your talk page. If you have a comment here about Peter Morrell's behavior, actions, or something directly related to him, then add a comment. Otherwise, seek help in other locations. Orangemarlin 07:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Gavin, I will just give you an outline of what I think can be improved about the article. It will NOT involve deleting rafts of your excellent work already done on it. All I have done so far is add a short bibliography, that needs further expansion, corrected a few spelling mistakes and added a few citation requests. Nothing very dramatic. I have not deleted rafts of your stuff because it would be unnegotiated and rude to do that. Here is a mere sample of the quotation material I have amassed so far. Please remember these are just ideas I am more than happy that we cooperate...some of this material could be included as short quotes in the relevant places. This would enhance the article. Surely you can see that?

Quotes: 1. "crossing of boundaries" "Concerns about overlapping territory and encroachment on autonomy" "the autonomy and knowledge base of each profession" "issues over boundaries and autonomy form the core of possible contention among allied health professionals." [from: Insalaco, D., Ozkurt, E., & Santiago, D. (2006). The attitudes and knowledge of students in the allied health professions towards their future professional team members. Journal of Allied Health, 35, 142-146]

2."the percentage difference in earnings between Blacks and Whites was smallest (5%) in the lowest-paid occupations and greatest in the highest-paid occupations." "Black dentists and physicians earned 80 cents for every dollar earned by their White colleagues. Black lawyers earned 79 cents for every dollar earned by White lawyers." "Black men have made inroads into the most highly paid occupations, but once they get there, they find they still don't earn as much as equally qualified White men." "racial earnings disparities" [From: Anon, Despite Rising To Top Professions, Black Men Still Don't Earn Top Pay: Study, Jet, Sept 3, 2001]

3. "power is institutionalized," "institutional complexities of professional organization," "control of entry and policing of behavior," "unique characteristics of professionalism." "the concept of power which is central to discussions of professions and professionalism." "professions are necessary economic institutions." "professional autonomy," "professionalism embodies monopoly power." "Early taxonomic literature in sociology defined professions as a special category of occupations possessing unique attributes that are seen as functional to wider society (Carr-Saunders 1928; Goode 1960)." "There is no precise and unique definition of "professions"; it is merely a title claimed by certain occupations at certain points in time." "The struggle for control is facilitated through social closure, employed by professional groups to defend their privileged position (Parkin 1979; Friedson 1970)." "the power sources utilized by occupations in their struggle to achieve and maintain professional status." "the concept of the monopoly power of professionals," "The power perspective in sociology is concerned with a profession's ability to access and maintain power in order to lay claim to professional status." "There is no unique professional ethic; it is simply that professionals are involved in areas where the significant externalities involved in transactions warrant broader social constraints on behavior. The acceptance of these constraints is necessary in order to gain social recognition as a profession." "Nurses are not given societal recognition as professionals in the same way as doctors or dentists are." "professional institutions, or those occupations striving for professional status, have produced and exploited internal hierarchies within their area of expertise, and utilized other sources of power in order to control entry and strengthen their monopoly position." "Witz (1992) cites many examples of the gendered exclusionary strategies practiced by male medical professionals struggling to counter nurses' claim to professional status in order to strengthen their own professionalization project." "accounting is readily accepted as a profession in Western society." "complex exclusion strategies were evolved in order to differentiate the work of accountants from other office workers who appeared to carry out accounting tasks, such as bookkeeping." "lawyers cling to a generalized claim of legal expertise, which is also largely assumed by the clients; hence, society still views them as professionals." "Wilensky (1964) who empirically demonstrates a "process of professionalization" starting with the establishment of the activity as a full-time occupation, progressing through the establishment of training schools and university links, the formation of a professional organization, and the struggle to gain legal support for exclusion, and culminating with the formation of a formal code of ethics." "it is also necessary to recognize that professionals are agents of change and have a degree of control over institutional and organizational development." [from: Jennifer Roberts & Michael Dietrich, Conceptualizing Professionalism: Why Economics Needs Sociology, The American Journal of Economics and Sociology, Oct, 1999]

In order for the article to be good it needs to be widened out beyond the narrow confines of accountancy and stuff on other professions added. That would be an improvement. I hope you can now see the relevance of the above material and how it might be used to enhance the article. thank you Peter morrell 08:43, 24 July 2007 (UTC)