Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Duke53 2
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[edit]Where and when did user:Ebtunc2006 or user:Hoopsphanatic ever ask me to delete anything from my user page?? Duke53 | Talk 18:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- It appears there was no direct request to you, but you obviously became aware of the concern expressed in this request by Hoopsphanatic to User:I'm Spartacus!, since you replied at User talk:Hoopsphanatic saying, "Learn to live with it". alanyst /talk/ 20:39, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- Well then his whole "I bring this up as I have requested User:Duke53 remove statements linking my former username to his user page" spiel just isn't true is it? Hmm ... makes a guy wonder exactly what else may be less than the truth. Duke53 | Talk 05:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- Well, it's certainly true that the statements are still there on your user page, and you are aware of what's being asked for. Do you need anything more than that to go ahead and take them down? Sure would put a quick end to this RfC and save a lot of time if you did. alanyst /talk/ 20:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- Well then his whole "I bring this up as I have requested User:Duke53 remove statements linking my former username to his user page" spiel just isn't true is it? Hmm ... makes a guy wonder exactly what else may be less than the truth. Duke53 | Talk 05:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- I have never asked any other editor to delete anything from their user page; I expect that what is on my user page (as long as WP rules aren't broken) is my business. This editor has attempted to bully and coerce me into doing what he dictated for a long while. He never asked me to remove anything ... he just tried to get someone else to do that for him. Even his 'apology' for the whole incident was backhanded .... nothing that occurred was his fault. It is not my problem if his 'roommates' left messages (and I do have the right to doubt that anybody else did so); it's his bad for not securing his computer. Nobody but me will ever edit WP from my computers or using my username because I would then feel responsible for those edits. I guess that having security on our computers is just basic common sense for some of us; had this editor taken care of that then this whole incident would have never materialized.
- I am also very appreciative that you continue to drop in to WP occasionally ... no matter how long you are gone I can be sure that you will show up to add your 2 cents to almost anything that concerns me; can you say 'stalking' ? Cheers. Duke53 | Talk 01:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Im not one to know everything about wiki policy but I think the removal request is genuine to the point of dropping the discussion and moving on. I dont think anyone is necessairly stalking either (people can have simmilar interests), And I can relate to buisness information appearing on wikiedpedia in the form of old accounts. My first account was a vandalism account which i foolishly gave my buisness account as well. So I can see how something like this can happen (though in my case no one posted my vandalizations on their wiki user page). I havent dived to deeply into wiki policy but i do believe their are instances where this information shouldnt be on the user page (WP: No personal attacks has some applicability here for both sides), but i dont think this even needs to go there. Personally i think its easy to resolve this, Duke could remove and delete these comments or alternatively even with-hold the user name associated to it (In good faith :) ), perhaps drop the date at the end or give it a fake username? If that works i think that would be a good compromise (it wont show up on a search engine this way), are you guys opposed to this idea?Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Ive just gone through a bit more of the discussion, Anlysts proposal may seem like an easier one to implement, but the options are there at least, happy editing Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Im not one to know everything about wiki policy but I think the removal request is genuine to the point of dropping the discussion and moving on. I dont think anyone is necessairly stalking either (people can have simmilar interests), And I can relate to buisness information appearing on wikiedpedia in the form of old accounts. My first account was a vandalism account which i foolishly gave my buisness account as well. So I can see how something like this can happen (though in my case no one posted my vandalizations on their wiki user page). I havent dived to deeply into wiki policy but i do believe their are instances where this information shouldnt be on the user page (WP: No personal attacks has some applicability here for both sides), but i dont think this even needs to go there. Personally i think its easy to resolve this, Duke could remove and delete these comments or alternatively even with-hold the user name associated to it (In good faith :) ), perhaps drop the date at the end or give it a fake username? If that works i think that would be a good compromise (it wont show up on a search engine this way), are you guys opposed to this idea?Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- I would be pleased with your idea, Ottawa4ever. Thank you. Hoopsphanatic (talk) 21:21, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I would like to resolve this
[edit]Duke53,
I hope you realize my intentions are sincere. I am asking you to remove the comments attributed to my former username. Is it that impossible to believe that my trust was violated by allowing my roommates to use my computer unsecured? Are you attempting to teach me a lesson? I have apologized several times. You appear to have no desire to honor my request, so I have turned to other means. Would you like a pound of flesh? This is a business and personal matter. My roommates cannot apologize or accept fault for their actions and I am left in the middle. Hoopsphanatic (talk) 02:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Came from Third Opinion page. If I received the request to remove the material I'd remove it. No one can make Duke remove it, though, of course. I'd firstly believe the guy if he said it was his roommates, but I don't think it's really the point--if he expresses disagreement with the sentiments expressed, is sorry for them (for his roommates), then it doesn't matter who wrote them. I think removing it would be the collegial thing to do, and especially if it unnecessarily compromises the real person's identity, that's more of a reason. It would be an expression of goodwill to comply with the request, in my understanding, and I think goodwill is very precious. 2 cents.--Asdfg12345 05:26, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Before this little lovefest grows much larger ...
[edit]Let's remember a few 'details' concerning this whole incident: it took 'hoopsphanatic' a full three months after these vile attacks were made to even acknowledge that they had been made. Then, of course, the attacks weren't his fault, even though he has never mentioned disagreeing with his 'roommates' viewpoints, either then or now. His 'apology' was a whole lot less than an apology, it was an excuse for how the entire episode had transpired. An immediate disavowal and genuine apology would probably have gained a different response from me. Now ( after another seven months) hoopsphantic decides that this has become an urgent issue requiring immediate attention from all concerned. Any sympathy for him will come from other WP editors, but not from me. His timing during this whole event is suspicious at best. BTW, hoopsphanatic, you are welcome. My willingness to compromise here is much more than you actually deserve. Duke53 | Talk 10:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)