Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Alan16
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Moved from Neutral section
[edit]- I advise the oppose section to find a less flimsy rationale. Shappy talk 01:48, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- Flimsy? You're not even taking a stand one way or the other, so you may want to dismount that giant equus caballus of yours. Keepscases (talk) 02:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- He has just yet to make up his mind. He is stating that in order to convince him to oppose he will need a more solid argument.--Gordonrox24 | Talk 02:15, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- Like Gordon said, I'm Takin' My Time reviewing this candidate, making sure I have a good all-around perspective in them. Better than automatically opposing someone for their beliefs. Shappy talk 02:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- If you think anyone's being opposed for his beliefs, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Keepscases (talk) 02:18, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- No, it's obvious that you've used RFA as your soapbox against atheism. Perhaps you should try and review the candidate's contributions and their article work to give you a better idea of what kind of an admin they would be instead of their religious beliefs (or lack thereof). Shappy talk 02:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oh? Surely, then, you can provide an example of a time when I've taken issue with atheism itself, as opposed to elitist and confrontational attitudes that make someone of any religious persuasion (or lack thereof) look awful. I'll wait. Keepscases (talk) 02:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- In Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Tedder, you go as far as to bar good-faith users of WikiProject Atheism from becoming administrators due to a few users carrying a certain userbox. While not a bias against atheism per se, it shows that you have an unacceptable predisposition against good-faith users who are interested in the subject of atheism. Shappy talk 02:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- The group in question proudly displays that userbox on its page to this day. I do not trust anyone who is associated with such a hateful group; the religious preferences of such a person are irrelevant. Keepscases (talk) 02:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- When you see a candidate using an atheism userbox you instantly infer that they are going to act inappropriately and cannot be trusted. Please please please explain in detail why this is. I do not like these userboxes, but boxes do not make the candidate. You are going out of your way to check if the candidate has at one point in time had an atheism related userbox. Can you also please explain why this is? I do not wish to sound mean, but I am utterly puzzled. --Gordonrox24 | Talk 02:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- Sure--because I simply can't fathom how any responsible, respectful, and thoughtful individual--the sort of person I want to see promoted to administrator--would ever display such a userbox, or associate with a group who did. For anyone who paints me as anti-atheist--find me any other userbox, religious or otherwise, that is so intentionally disrespectful towards other Wikipedia users, and I will enthusiastically oppose its proponents with the same vigor you've all come to know and love me for. Keepscases (talk) 02:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- You are attacking a specific subset of editors with a specific belief. I can't see how that isn't worse than displaying a few pixels on one's userpage. Triplestop x3 02:44, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- I only agree with you if by "belief" you mean "belief that being condescending and confrontational towards other users is a 'cool' thing to do". Keepscases (talk) 02:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I'm not trying to stop you doing so; I knew before this argument. I just gave you advice on other ways to review RFA candidates. You've also been told by many editors that your stereotypes are just as, if not more offensive that said userboxes. Shappy talk 02:47, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- How dare you accuse me of having "stereotypes" when my problems with certain editors are based on specific attitudes with which they have directly associated themselves? It is not my problem if many editors here happen to fit your perceived "stereotypes". Keepscases (talk) 02:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- (ec) No, by belief I mean atheism. Hate/smugness between people of different groups happens everywhere. And I don't see you opposing based on this "condescending and confrontational" from any other belief than atheism. Again, Rfa is not your soapbox. Triplestop x3 02:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- Surely, then, you can provide an example of similar "hate/smugness" that comes from some other group on Wikipedia. What may happen outside of Wikipedia is not our concern here. Keepscases (talk) 02:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- (ec) No, by belief I mean atheism. Hate/smugness between people of different groups happens everywhere. And I don't see you opposing based on this "condescending and confrontational" from any other belief than atheism. Again, Rfa is not your soapbox. Triplestop x3 02:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- How dare you accuse me of having "stereotypes" when my problems with certain editors are based on specific attitudes with which they have directly associated themselves? It is not my problem if many editors here happen to fit your perceived "stereotypes". Keepscases (talk) 02:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I'm not trying to stop you doing so; I knew before this argument. I just gave you advice on other ways to review RFA candidates. You've also been told by many editors that your stereotypes are just as, if not more offensive that said userboxes. Shappy talk 02:47, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- I only agree with you if by "belief" you mean "belief that being condescending and confrontational towards other users is a 'cool' thing to do". Keepscases (talk) 02:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- You are attacking a specific subset of editors with a specific belief. I can't see how that isn't worse than displaying a few pixels on one's userpage. Triplestop x3 02:44, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- Sure--because I simply can't fathom how any responsible, respectful, and thoughtful individual--the sort of person I want to see promoted to administrator--would ever display such a userbox, or associate with a group who did. For anyone who paints me as anti-atheist--find me any other userbox, religious or otherwise, that is so intentionally disrespectful towards other Wikipedia users, and I will enthusiastically oppose its proponents with the same vigor you've all come to know and love me for. Keepscases (talk) 02:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- In Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Tedder, you go as far as to bar good-faith users of WikiProject Atheism from becoming administrators due to a few users carrying a certain userbox. While not a bias against atheism per se, it shows that you have an unacceptable predisposition against good-faith users who are interested in the subject of atheism. Shappy talk 02:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oh? Surely, then, you can provide an example of a time when I've taken issue with atheism itself, as opposed to elitist and confrontational attitudes that make someone of any religious persuasion (or lack thereof) look awful. I'll wait. Keepscases (talk) 02:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- No, it's obvious that you've used RFA as your soapbox against atheism. Perhaps you should try and review the candidate's contributions and their article work to give you a better idea of what kind of an admin they would be instead of their religious beliefs (or lack thereof). Shappy talk 02:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- If you think anyone's being opposed for his beliefs, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Keepscases (talk) 02:18, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- Like Gordon said, I'm Takin' My Time reviewing this candidate, making sure I have a good all-around perspective in them. Better than automatically opposing someone for their beliefs. Shappy talk 02:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- He has just yet to make up his mind. He is stating that in order to convince him to oppose he will need a more solid argument.--Gordonrox24 | Talk 02:15, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- (Unindent) Triplestop, Keepscases only opposes people with that specific userbox, not atheists in general. Malinaccier (talk) 02:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- On WP:Request for adminship/Tedder he opposed because the candidate was part of the wikiproject, not because he displayed the specific userbox.--Gordonrox24 | Talk 03:31, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- If he has a problem with the box then he can MfD it. RfA is not his soapbox. Triplestop x3 02:58, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- He's not using as a soapbox. He has a legitimate concern, and is voicing it. Malinaccier (talk) 03:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- (ec) I am a strong believer in free speech, and don't care whether or not the userbox in question exists. Your perception of me using RfA as my "soapbox" is unfortunately a reflection on some kinds of users that have been through here lately. Keepscases (talk) 03:01, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- Got to echo Triplestop here - why not just MfD it and save everyone a lot of dramah? I mean the alternative is people learning not to flog a dead horse, but that'll never work aroudn here :p. Ironholds (talk) 08:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'd seriously advise everyone to just drop this issue; it's deriding into a dramafest that WP:ANI was made for...not that I'm prodding you guys to go there, of course. Cheers, I'mperator 14:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- Got to echo Triplestop here - why not just MfD it and save everyone a lot of dramah? I mean the alternative is people learning not to flog a dead horse, but that'll never work aroudn here :p. Ironholds (talk) 08:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- (ec) I am a strong believer in free speech, and don't care whether or not the userbox in question exists. Your perception of me using RfA as my "soapbox" is unfortunately a reflection on some kinds of users that have been through here lately. Keepscases (talk) 03:01, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- He's not using as a soapbox. He has a legitimate concern, and is voicing it. Malinaccier (talk) 03:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- Flimsy? You're not even taking a stand one way or the other, so you may want to dismount that giant equus caballus of yours. Keepscases (talk) 02:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)