Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/2008–2009 hadrosaur chewing study
Hadrosaur diet and chewing studies
[edit]The current community view appears to be that this article should be included in a larger article discussing hadrosaur diet. Below I've listed a number of papers, each of which discuss hadrosaurid diet, mastication, or feeding habits, either in detail or to some extent. If the eventual decision is to merge, the below papers, originally compiled by J. Spencer, should prove useful in providing some balance to a discussion of hadrosaur feeding. (I can't guarantee that this list is comprehensive, however). Firsfron of Ronchester 05:35, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Exclusively hadrosaurids
[edit]- Horner, John R.; Weishampel, David B.; and Forster, Catherine A (2004). "Hadrosauridae". in Weishampel, David B.; Dodson, Peter; and Osmólska, Halszka (eds.). The Dinosauria (2nd ed.). Berkeley: University of California Press. pp. 438–463. ISBN 0-520-24209-2.
- Ostrom, John H. (1964). "A reconsideration of the paleoecology of the hadrosaurian dinosaurs". American Journal of Science 262: 975–997.
- Morris, William J. (1970). "Hadrosaurian dinosaur bills — morphology and function". Contributions in Science 193: 1–14.
- Rybczynski, Natalia; Tirabasso, Alex; Bloskie, Paul; Cuthbertson, Robin; and Holliday, Casey (2008). "A three-dimensional animation model of Edmontosaurus (Hadrosauridae) for testing chewing hypotheses". Palaeontologia Electronica 11 (2): online publication. http://palaeo-electronica.org/2008_2/132/index.html
- Creisler, Benjamin S. (2007). "Deciphering duckbills: a history in nomenclature". in Carpenter, Kenneth (ed.). Horns and Beaks: Ceratopsian and Ornithopod Dinosaurs. Bloomington and Indianapolis: Indiana University Press. pp. 185–210. ISBN 0-253-34817-X.
- Sternberg, Charles H. (1909). "A new Trachodon from the Laramie Beds of Converse County, Wyoming". Science 29 (749): 753–54.
- Currie, Philip J.; Koppelhus, Eva B.; and Muhammad, A. Fazal (1995). ""Stomach" contents of a hadrosaurid from the Dinosaur Park Formation (Campanian, Upper Cretaceous) of Alberta, Canada". in Sun Ailing and Wang Yuangqing (editors). Sixth Symposium on Mesozoic Terrestrial Ecosystems and Biota, Short Papers. Beijing: China Ocean Press. pp. 111–114. ISBN 7-5027-3898-3.
- Kräusel, R. (1922). "Die Nahrung von Trachodon" (in German). Paläontologische Zeitschrift 4: 80.
- Abel, O. (1922). "Diskussion zu den Vorträgen R. Kräusel and F. Versluys" (in German). Paläontologische Zeitschrift 4: 87.
- Tweet, Justin S.; Chin, Karen; Braman, Dennis R.; and Murphy, Nate L. (2008). "Probable gut contents within a specimen of Brachylophosaurus canadensis (Dinosauria: Hadrosauridae) from the Upper Cretaceous Judith River Formation of Montana". PALAIOS 23 (9): 624–635. doi:10.2110/palo.2007.p07-044r.
- Stanton Thomas, Kathryn J.; and Carlson, Sandra J. (2004). "Microscale δ18O and δ13C isotopic analysis of an ontogenetic series of the hadrosaurid dinosaur Edmontosaurus: implications for physiology and ecology". Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, and Palaeoecology 206 (2004): 257–287. doi:10.1016/j.palaeo.2004.01.007.
Discuss hadrosaurid diet, along with others
[edit]- Carpenter, Kenneth (1987). "Paleoecological significance of droughts during the Late Cretaceous of the Western Interior". in Currie, Philip J. and Koster, Emlyn H. (editors). Fourth Symposium on Mesozoic Terrestrial Ecosystems, Drumheller, August 10–14, 1987. Occasional Paper of the Tyrrell Museum of Palaeontology. 3. Drumheller, Alberta: Royal Tyrrell Museum of Palaeontology. pp. 42–47. ISBN 0773200479.
- Galton, Peter M. (1973). "The cheeks of ornithischian dinosaurs". Lethaia 6: 67–89. doi:10.1111/j.1502-3931.1973.tb00873.x.
- Carpenter, Kenneth (2007). "How to make a fossil: part 2 – Dinosaur mummies and other soft tissue" (PDF). The Journal of Paleontological Sciences online. http://www.aaps-journal.org/pdf/How+to+Mummify+a+Dinosaur.pdf
- Fastovsky, D.E., and Smith, J.B. (2004). "Dinosaur paleoecology." The Dinosauria. pp. 614–626.
- Weishampel, David B. (1984). Evolution in jaw mechanics in ornithopod dinosaurs. Advances in Anatomy, Embryology, and Cell Biology 87. Berlin; New York: Springer-Verlag. ISBN 0387131140.
- This is an awesome list, Firsfron! But you said "If the eventual decision is to merge." This larger article should be made whether the decision is to merge or not. Like I said, I maintain there can be a Hadrosaur diet article and an article on the study, and that the two are not mutually exclusive. But whatever the result of the AFD is, I think we should indeed work on this diet article, and this list is a truly great place to start... — Hunter Kahn (c) 16:58, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for the compliments about the list, but it's actually J's (as usual :) I feel adding the data from these other studies to this article, and then moving it to Hadrosaur diet (or a more appropriate title of the community's choosing) will provide the balance and WP:NPOV that this article now lacks. As you can see from above, the feeding strategies, diet, etc., of hadrosaur/ids/ians/oids have been studied for a great many years. Wikipedia should avoid recentism and present the views which have evolved over many decades. A separate article for just the one study gives undue weight to a very recent study, and there's no way to balance a single view like that in an article which is only about the single view. Firsfron of Ronchester 05:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't realize we were starting another AFD argument on the talk page, but... 1) There are no WP:NPOV issues with this article. It makes it very clear that this is a study and thus limited in its scope, and in fact I went out of my way to point out that there are issues still subject to debate. 2) WP:RECENT doesn't mean we should neglect recent things or events that are notable. 3) Again, WP:WEIGHT is not an issue because the context makes the scope of the study clear. If we moved this article to Hadrosaur diet and it remained one of the few pieces of information there, or if it outweighed the rest of the information added, only then would it have undue weight... — Hunter Kahn (c) 13:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for the compliments about the list, but it's actually J's (as usual :) I feel adding the data from these other studies to this article, and then moving it to Hadrosaur diet (or a more appropriate title of the community's choosing) will provide the balance and WP:NPOV that this article now lacks. As you can see from above, the feeding strategies, diet, etc., of hadrosaur/ids/ians/oids have been studied for a great many years. Wikipedia should avoid recentism and present the views which have evolved over many decades. A separate article for just the one study gives undue weight to a very recent study, and there's no way to balance a single view like that in an article which is only about the single view. Firsfron of Ronchester 05:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
- This is an awesome list, Firsfron! But you said "If the eventual decision is to merge." This larger article should be made whether the decision is to merge or not. Like I said, I maintain there can be a Hadrosaur diet article and an article on the study, and that the two are not mutually exclusive. But whatever the result of the AFD is, I think we should indeed work on this diet article, and this list is a truly great place to start... — Hunter Kahn (c) 16:58, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- The views expressed in the essay RECENT are ones that I considered, OTOH we also have the ability to be current. Our front page has a 'in the news' section that spotlights articles, which inspires their creation and improvement. The concern generated by this article, topical yet neutral, could have been focused on a solution to the problem it highlights: creating the article for the topic of the study. There is enough discussion and refs to create a reasonable start, but I, joining everyone here, hope someone else undertakes that task. cygnis insignis 16:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC)