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Laro people

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The reference on the page doesn't look to be a RS. The difficulty of identifying sources is that many speak of the Laro language rather than identifying an ethnic group. Whilst it seems obvious that if there is a language there is a corresponding group, it's not really for an encyclopedia to make this assertion. JMWt (talk) 09:49, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Social science and Sudan. JMWt (talk) 09:49, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:43, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for checking for other sources before deleting this tiny article without any you find valid. I respect that, it's very responsible and gives these lesser-seen start articles a fair chance. Kaasterly (talk) 14:34, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

maybe it should be changed to Speakers of Laro language. Sarcelles (talk) 15:05, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Page 22 of this seems to refer to the existence of a tribe or ethnic group [1] –Ike Lek (talk) 23:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It also gives additional names they are referred to by. Page 31 discusses Laro vs. Laru. Ike Lek (talk) 00:06, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This source discusses them as a tribe with a disctinct identity despite linguistic closeness with neighboring tribes. It mostly refers to them as Laro. [2] – Ike Lek (talk) 00:09, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also mentioned in this book, albeit with some dated racial terminology. [3] Ike Lek (talk) 00:14, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Left guide (talk) 10:10, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - addressing the sources offered by @Ike Lek: above:

source [1] above is titled Laru Vowel Harmony and the paragraph on page 22 says The Laru language is spoken in the Nuba Mountains of Southern Kordofan Province in Sudan. Because of insecurity in the home area, there are large displaced communities in Khartoum, Port Sudan, Sennar, and Atbara. According to the Sudan census of 1984, which excludes speakers living outside the home area, the number of the native speakers is 7600. According to a recent estimate (2003), which may include other tribes that are grouped under the Laru by the area administration, the population is 25-50,000.

page 31 is a discussion about the spelling of a word in English

source [3] appears to be talking about Eugenics

In my opinion the strongest source offered here is clearly talking about a language group. As I suggest above, it wouldn't be a surprise to learn that there is an ethnic group that speaks this language, however it isn't the job of Wikipedia to make this assertion. We can't have pages that are only referenced obliquely. I still can't really see how this information wouldn't be better covered in Laro language until such time as better sources are found. JMWt (talk) 10:43, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These quotes from the first sources are more what I was referring to, especially as they could provide clues as to what to search for to find more information: "The Laru are known by other Sudanese as Liira or Alliira, which are names given to the Laru by outsiders." and "According to a recent estimate (2003), which may include other tribes that are grouped under the Laru by the area administration, the population is 25- 50,000." Page 31 contains translations for terms such as "Laru homeland" and "person of Laru" separate from "language of Laru".

I suggest we take extra care before making a decision on this AfD, as erasing the existence of an ethnic group group from Wikipedia can have major consequences, especially with LLMs feeding off Wikipedia and then being used to make decisions.

I would say the strongest source is probably the second one, so I would be curious to hear to assessment of it. Also, to be explicitly clear, I do not support human eugenics. I don't think anyone was saying that I did, but just in case, I do not want that to be misunderstood. Ike Lek (talk) 20:04, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While I still do not support eugenics, I do question how you came to the conclusion that it is the subject of the third source I gave. Further review seems to suggest that while it does use pseudo-scientific racial categorization at some points in the book, it does give a historically-based ethno-linguistic categorization of Nuba peoples not directly tied to eugenics. Please let me know if I am wrong about this, as I do not have access to the complete book. Ike Lek (talk) 21:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]