Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/WikiLoco
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.
- Suspected sockpuppeteer
WikiLoco (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
- Suspected sockpuppets
WikiLoco (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
WikiManiac64 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
74.225.207.125 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Malomeat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Note, while I think Malomeat is unlikely, it's still possible, and I'd rather be complete.
- Report submission by
McKay 05:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Evidence
Naruto: Ninja Council 3 is coming out soon in the US. There has been some disagreement as to whether that is Naruto: Saikyou Ninja Daikesshu 4 or Naruto: Saikyou Ninja Daikesshu 3. The battle took place as an edit war, and comments, mostly without substance, were being thrown around on both sides in edit summaries. Enter WikiLoco
- [1]
- [2] (not civil edit summary)
- [3] (caps yelling to the several different people who are reverting changes back) [4] (personal attack)
- [5] (one IP makes a second revert, WikiLoco livid in edit summary)
- [6] Malomeat sides with WikiLoco and reverts. (If this were WikiLoco, it would have been a 3rd revert in 24 hours)
- [7] After a couple of days of it being not WikiLoco's way, he reverts again
- McKaySalisbury is at this point monitoring all changes by WikiLoco because of suspicious behavior, and after analyzing the evidence at hand (I'm familiar with Naruto's japanese and english production), I quickly revert WikiLoco's reversion (not realizing that he was entering an edit war)
- [8] WikiLoco quickly reverts again stating some very weak backing
- I revert partially
- [9] WikiLoco adds a source that doesn't support his claim
- I remove both sources
- [10] [11] WikiLoco makes third revert in 24 hours.
- I revert
At about this time, a message was posted about him at WP:AN#User Talk:WikiLoco. The outcome is basically "reform with someone's mentoring or a community ban is possible".
The edits made this day by WikiLoco, were the last edits made by him. The next day, WikiManiac64 comes back from a 4 month break. WikiLoco has only been active during that break, but only during part of that time. Are there other potential sockpuppets missed?
Between Loco and Maniac's edits is an edit by an IP
- [12] siding with WikiLoco by name
One of the first items on WikiManiac64's agenda is
- [15] Malomeat changes the article again.
McKay 05:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
I should be up front, and say that I don't particularly like many of the edits that WikiLoco is making. They are rarely sourced, and though some of his edits are good, I can't trust them anymore. I personally believe that he's a good intentioned editor who lacks structure, and is unwilling to listen to advice given him by those who know the rules. Because his "vandalisms" are infrequent, WP:AIV is ineffective, and posts to the Administrator's boards have on occasion garnered no response from the community. Because I suspect sockpuppetry, I also don't trust edits of WikiManiac64 McKay 05:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, note that during the suspected WikiLoco->WikiManiac64 changeover, the IP was blocked from acccount creation. Could that be why he went back to an old one? McKay 05:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
One of my complaints with WikiLoco, is that he never really responds to replies on his talk page. Surprisingly enough, all three named users here have yet to say anything in their defense, and have edited since the SSP came up. McKay 14:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- To my defense, I just explained in the article Naruto: Saikyou Ninja Daikesshu 4 the reason for my edits. Just because I was reverting edits, didn´t mean I was a sockpuppet. - !Malomeat 22:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, thanks malomeat, Like I said above, I was least sure about the WikiLoco=Malomeat connection, but put it in for completeness. McKay 15:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments by an uninvolved party
I have examined the "evidence" and find it unlikely that Malomeat is a sockpuppet. I saw no evidence of vandalism, disruption, or multiple voting. Accusing someone is a very serious matter. I take offense that someone made a charge of sockpuppetry "for completeness". If done on a municipal level, this could mean that YOU were arrested for burglary, along with a bunch of other "suspects" with all of you having to prove your innocence. I prefer to assume good faith and discuss things with the other person. Being disruptive is a very bad problem in wikipedia so being accused of it is a very serious matter. Don't accuse unless you are certain of it! I suggest that the complaint be amended to delete Malomeat. My examination of the evidence leads me to believe that the two users with the name that starts with wiki should be advised on good wikipedia manners at the very least.Dereks1x 20:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Conclusions
I've removed Malomeat as unlikely. Please don't just throw an accusation at anyone marginally possible when filing these cases. Seraphimblade Talk to me 18:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
WikiLoco and WikiManiac64 are a pretty clear case of good hand/bad hand puppetry (or in this case, maybe bad hand/worse hand). WikiLoco was already blocked indefinitely for his previous behavior, WikiManiac64 is blocked as a block-evading sock. Seraphimblade Talk to me 18:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]