Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Listsvery

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User:Listsvery

Suspected sockpuppeteer: Listsvery (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets: iamandrewrice (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

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Whitstable (talk) 12:17, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence

Appears to be the same user, has been "conversing" with user:Pollypenhouse and asked for adoption within minutes of joining although appears to know Wikipedia quite well, operates similarly to banned user:iamandrewrice - who it seems is user:Pollypenhouse (despite protestations, that user shares the same birthdate as that on the MySpace of banned user)

Comments

He asked me to adopt him, which i did, but i did notice something unusual. He said he didn't know how to link to a page, but he knew how to use <ref> and IPA transcription. As long as i didn't see anything criminal, i assumed good faith, despite the suspicion. I did tell him that the notability of the articles he created is borderline. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 12:58, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are suggesting I was holding a 'conversing' with myself?? how ridiculous, I am not even going to comment. And please stop using false information, as for all my searching, I found no evidence whatsoever to indicate that 'AndrewRice' and I share the same date of birth, which, even if we coincidentally did (which it is apparent that we do not anyway), I do not grasp your idea of how that makes us the same person. I am tiring of this, I am here to construct an encylopedia, not listen to your rambling romanticised ideas, Whitstable, of how 'Andrewrice' is working through I and this other user, to vandalise (oh yes, on that matter, it is apparent that I and Listsvery have vandalised oh so much isn't it?!!!!) so I suggest you get that checkuser done quickly so that I can have that tag removed from my page. And anyway, if you were following the 'Andrewrice' events clearly, you would now know that the user has officially applied to be un-banned. Well that is what I gather from reading his writings in any case. I would argue that you go and take a look at casting your decision on the unbanning of the real user, rather than being clumsy-handed and wasting vast amounts of my editing time simply to prove my innocence. And if you would like me to prove who I am, I can give you my facebook account if you wish it. But I am not 'adding you as a friend,' if that is what you would like, for firstly in addition to the fact that you have established yourselves in no way as anything clarificable as that, but I do not mix work with leisure, and I would expect no outside wikipedia links with someone I expected to work with withing the wiki-sphere. So please, as I mentioned, go hurry up with the checkuser, for you are not only choosing to wasting your time, but more importantly, you are forcing me to waste my time. Pollypenhouse (talk) 10:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And with regards to how us two users met, it was from the fact that we both edited Swatch Internet Time, and this is where I found the suer. I do not know them in real life, let alone 'being' them, so please, next time you want to accuse someone, I suggest actually looking at ALL the evidence, not just the pieces you select. Whitstable, an additional comment to you, you deleted the message I left on your page, so I feel that only the same treatment will be due of you, so therefore, I do not wish to ever have a personal discussion with you, as I find you rude, oppinionated, and unintelligent, i am sorry to be so frank, but you continue to walk this route in such a manner that I am obliged to avoid any possibility of further coinciding with you, and having to hear your buzzing unsourced oppinions about me. So just do me a favour, and get the checkuser done quickly. Pollypenhouse (talk) 10:46, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am afraid I do not have time for this, I have an essay which has to be in at Uni in a week aand a half, and Idon't understand where all of this is coming form. If you look at my contributions, you will see that I have made good faith edits and created 3 new pages, two of which have now been unfairly deleted, giving me practically no warning time. I am Not a sock-Puppet of this andrew Rice Child. Me and Polly are new friends, I do not know her in real life, I met her on Wikipedia and we have been helping each other out. I am soory if I have caused any unconvenience, But I am not a sock puppet, I guess you'll have to Take my word for it. Or, you could do a check-user thingy. Listsvery (talk) 12:16, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have the time right now to dig out the diffs, but Iamandrewrice also had conversations with other accounts which were later determined to be sockpuppets of him. It appears to me that these two are either Iamandrewrice himself, or a friend or friends of him. Intersting, too, that this user could make refs so easily. And he does not use the ref templates, but rather formats the refs himself...exactly as I taught Iamandrewrice to do. Circumstantial evidence, to be sure, but I am fairly convinced this account and Pollypenhouse are somehow related to that fiasco. Jeffpw (talk) 13:01, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One final thought: in looking through Listsvery's contribution history, I see he has been welcoming new users, often users who have yet to make a single contribution. I find it odd that a new user could find the new user log so quickly, and wonder if the users he has been welcoming are also socks. Jeffpw (talk) 13:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suspicious minds, Suspicios minds. Actually, all I did was go on the recent changes, and when I saw that there was a new user, I welcomed them, that is all. That is all. Please, Look at my contributions again, Have I made a single bad faith edit? Am I harming Wikipedia in any way? Or am I trying to contribute and make Wikipedia a bad place, I'm sure that you are all intelligent enough to figure out that I am a credit to Wikipedia and certainly not a vandal. I do not know anything about this IamandrewRice account or any of the whole debackle, but i assure you that I am a good person and I am trying to contribute to wikipedia peacefully whilst at university. Please, give me a chance. Regarding the referencing, I didn't want to hastle my apopterUser:Amerie80 too much, so I went on Websites and I figured out how to reference from a website which I found on Google. Listsvery (talk) 13:44, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thats not true!!!!! You copied the exact same way I do MY references!!!!!! Pollypenhouse (talk) 13:49, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And you are so ignorant! It wasn't that user who did the IPA writing, it was ME!!!!!! GOD! At least get your contributions and evidence right! Pollypenhouse (talk) 14:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Conclusions

Likely Account blocked indefinitely, almost certainly yet another sockpuppet of banned vandal, Iamandrewrice. Note that the other account mentioned here was confirmed as Iamandrewrice. --Yamla (talk) 17:27, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked at RFCU. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]