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The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.

User:Chubeat8

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Suspected sockpuppeteer

Chubeat8 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets

Swapant (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
212.12.160.47 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
216.198.139.38 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
213.166.128.39 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Report submission by

MezzoMezzo 15:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Evidence

On Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz:

Edits by User:Swapant

Edits by 212.12.160.47

Edits by 213.166.128.39

Chubeat8 admitting to being at least 216.198.139.38 in edit summaries

It doesn't end there. There's more on Talk:Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz:

216.198.139.38 signed comments as "Chubeat8"

Comments

This originally started on the Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz article and it's talk page about two months ago with the same issues; however, User:Proabivouac, User:Itaqallah, and myself let him/them know that such behavior wouldn't stand and they seemed to give up at the time. The consequences of that argument still makes up the bulk of this article's talk page. We assumed it was over but that doesn't seem to be the case. In addition, I have had to warn one of the IP addresses about the three revert rule this morning and they have even been Wikistalking me onto other articles as may be seen on the talk page in the current discussion. I feel this has gone on quite long enough and would really like some help on this, because it is becoming very tiring; otherwise helpful edits could be made to this article and the others he/they has/have stalked me on to (yes, they're actually reverting my edits on unrelated pages now) can not be made due to this disruption. Please advise.

Conclusions

I am really quite confidant that this is a legitimate case of sockpuppetry. Please see to it that something is done soon and if at all possible I would like to call Proabivouac and Itaqallah as witnesses to what has been going on. Thank you for any help that may be given in this situation.MezzoMezzo 15:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Obvious case. The IP also purported to be several other individuals, including "KAWAKIBI" and "Jean-François Lafleure." He's probably already figured out why that doesn't work (same IP in the history,) but puppetry with named accounts continues, and I assume will get worse in this zero-enforcement anarchic environment.Proabivouac 01:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A similar IP address, 213.166.130.78 (talk), is also now Wikistalking me on the same exact articles and inserting the same exact disruptive edits for no readily available reason. Normally I would assume good faith but i'm not so sure at this point. This has really gone on long enough, it would really be helpful if I could get someone to look into this. MezzoMezzo 14:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Response

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MezzoMezzo claims that I use sockpuppet tactics in his said article. Here is my defense against that wishful accusation:

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click here to verify yourself:

  • The IP address 212.12.160.47 is assigned Saudi Arabia
  • The IP address 216.198.139.38 is assigned to Canada
  • The IP address 213.166.128.39 is assigned to Saudi Arabia
  • The IP address 213.166.130.78 is assigned to Germany

Does any one believe this nonsense by MezzoMezzo!! I hope there is one. Chubeat8 01:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to an actual WHOIS search, 212.12.160.47, 213.166.128.39, and 213.166.130.78 are all in Saudi while 216.198.139.38 is in Canada. I would also keep in mind that: "For the purposes of upholding policy, Wikipedia does not distinguish between meatpuppets and sockpuppets." Please cease with this disruption. MezzoMezzo 02:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This user has now Wikistalked me through the use of both his accounts and the above IP addresses across the articles for Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz, Muhammad Nasiruddin al-Albani, Wahhabism, Qutbism, Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, and Salafism; the harassment has included (but is not limited to) accusing me disruptive edits the page history clearly shows were done by other editors, intentionally inserting spelling errors, reverting grammatical corrections I made, demanding I scan copies of references already linked to in the footnotes, citing amicably solved differences of opinion i've had with other users to attack my integrity as an editor, citing an instance four months ago (!) on a completely unrelated article (!) where I reverted one of my own edits because I felt I had let my own POV slip through to attack my integrity as an editor, accusing me of deleting images that were deleted by completely different editors to attack my integrity as an editor...the list goes on. I don't want to cause too much of a stink over this, but when will this finally be addressed? I've brought this to the admin's noticeboard for three revert rule violations, contacted three separate admins - who due to legitimate real life commitments have not yet been able to devote their time to the issue - sought third party mediation through a number of other editors (comments from these other editors on the talk pages of some of the above articles also confirm the sockpuppet suspicion), and have even directly asked this person non-rhetorically what they wish to accomplish via all these personal attacks on me. I understand that there are many open cases going on but how long will this be allowed to continue? It's to the point where I can't even attend legitimate issues on other articles out of fear that this person will bring the conflict over to those said other articles as well, as he has already openly admitted to going through all the contributions I make daily. What am I supposed to do? I can't even edit now. MezzoMezzo 04:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User MezzoMezzo have wikistaked me in the first time I participated in the article of [Ibn Baz] and followed me and placed a speedy deletion in the Wahabi Controvecial Fatwas article. In the discussion page of the mentioned article or -if eventually- the first archive on that discussion page, he deleted along side with two other users of similar edit history all my contributions. First accusing me of sockpuppetry and disruptive edits which now he changed to meatpuppetry. You can see in the discussion page how he abused wikipedia laws against the intergrity of wikipedia. Not only that, he traped me to the 3RR and wikistaked me. He often attack the person and not the argument and uses threats of wikipedia laws. The proof of my good faith is that I never vandalized edits, I abided by working out in the discussion page before editing and stopped editing while requesting just a tag. MezzoMezzo ,and as shown in the accusation list that should be here probably, in the talk page of [Ibn Baz] has used many tactics and still unable to prove good faith. I do not want to bring in the Basket of proofs here waiting to see if I am supposed to or not. Finally, Wikipedia allows me to edit any where I want under the condition that I respect the rules. If some one is afraid of other edits or arguments in the talk page than he must be afraid of admin involvment. In any case, I would appreciate if someone can tell me what not to do here in specific in this particular case where I press for my participation at leat on the talk page level in -coincidently or not- the issues that are of interest to MezzoMezzo.

I also need a proof of disruptive edits in any article displayed here so I can defend my self.

so basically here what MezzoMezzo should bring:

A- All proofs of diruptive edits by ME so I can reply on that. B- Explain how he links me to people in Germany, Saudi Arabia and may be even Britain. c- Proof that I have bad faith.

In response, I will provide my defense plus the proof of his bad faith and a detailed historic of his meatpuppeting and abuse of the system.--Chubeat8 04:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would expect from Proavobiac to state his proofs and stop joining attack on me just to make a push comment for MezzoMezzo. If Proabivouac who is already on probation wants me to defend myself against him, I will analyse his records and come back here with a list of accusation and let the admin take dicision for or against me. FYI Proabivouac--Chubeat8 05:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Side comment user Proabivouacwas discovered sockpuppeting and was blocked. That same user has similar edits like MezzoMezzo and always backed him with reverts in Ibn Baz article, backed him in argumets at talk page and even here with a comment. So there is a big question of credibility and good faith here that be shown even more if MezzoMezzo and his friend do not stop accusing me and attacking my person in the talk page.--Chubeat8 05:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your "Wahabi controvercial fatwa" article deletion speaks for itself; it was an attack page made solely to disparage it's subject (you actually put a slur in the article title!). As far as me stalking you, please check the official policy: "This does not include checking up on an editor to fix errors or violations of Wikipedia policy". Also, the issue on this project page isn't disruption, it's sockpuppetry.
As for Proabivouac, please don't be dishonest; you had to have searched his page to find that so you know he was blocked for edit warring, not for sockpuppetry, as his other account was a doppelganger account, not a sock. That's why it hasn't been banned. Please stop wasting time with this, as his writing style isn't anywhere close to mine (unlike that of Chubeat/Swapant/uss-cool) and, unlike the three of you, we didn't create counts within days of each other with the express purpose of arguing the same point on the same article. Lastly, please don't spam this page with more of the typical weak personal attacks that you do on Talk:Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz. MezzoMezzo 14:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, since you seem to have ignored me earlier, three of those IPs are in Saudi and one is in Canada; none of them are in Germany or the UK. And, as you seem to have ignored earlier, for the sake of Wiki policy sockpuppets and meatpuppets are treated as the same. MezzoMezzo 14:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Conclusion
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