Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/98.231.153.180

User:98.231.153.180

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Suspected sock puppeteer

98.231.153.180 (talk⁺ · contribs · deleted contribs · tag · block user · block log · CheckUser)

Suspected sock puppets

Aruba1018 (talk⁺ · contribs · deleted contribs · tag · block user · block log · CheckUser)

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TopGearFreak 22:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence: Sockpuppeteer kept adding his own version of the Flag of the Republic of China. 1 2 3 4. I gave him his last warning 5 and then User:Aruba1018 began vandalizing, doing the exact same thing. 6 7.

Comments

User:Aruba1028 joined on November 23, 2008 8 and not immediately after I gave User:98.231.153.180 his last warning as I expected.

This appears to be an anonymous user whose edits were reverted by several Huggle users without a clear stated reason. The anonymous user attempted to contact one of the reverting users, and his talk page edits were also reverted (and another vandalism warning issued.) Understandably, the user appears to have then created an account to attempt the same edits. I don't think this is sockpuppetry. I was passing by and tried contacting the reverting users, but none were able/willing to clearly explain claims of vandalism. ~~This may in the end be confirmed to be vandalism (by someone who can read Chinese, but~~ this may simply be a case of overzealous Huggle users. -- Tcncv (talk) 22:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC) (Updated -- Tcncv (talk) 14:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Hi. I am that "criminal" vandal you are looking for. So what if I had put up a higher-resolution flag of the Wang Jingwei Government? The Wang Jingwei government was a puppet regime of Imperial Japan which claimed to be the legitimate government of China during World War II, and tried to assert its authenticity by adopting the same flag as the Republic of China. The ROC was then headed by Chiang Kai-shek and was based in Chongqing. To fend off suspicions from outsiders, the Wang Jingwei authorities decided to add an extra pennant on the ROC flag.

I don't understand what the big deal is. At first I thought the reason that you stupid people put down my flag is because I am anonymous and don't have a user account. So I logged in and tried to upload the flag again. Now, let me ask you one question. How the heck does my addition constitute vandalism when I am a history major specializing in the history of China? This flag came from my history textbook and I was just reproducing it on my computer for the benefit of the Wikipedia community. I uploaded something educational and you people are making such a big deal out of it. You know what, if you have the guts, go ahead and mark this paragraph as vandalism and close my Wikipedia account. I dare you. If you don't understand Chinese history and the resemblance between the old and my "vandalizing" flag, then shame on you all ultra-liberal do-no-good reactionary administrators. Wikipedia should thank you for scaring away potential editors like me. Aruba1018 (talk) 23:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

May I just point out Aruba1018's flag is correct and does have the correct peace, anti-communism, national construction (和平反共建國). there were many versions, some said just peace and national construction some said peace and anti-communism and some said the whole national motto: "peace, anti-communism, national construction (和平反共建國)." for more info please read Flags of the Republic of China-Nanjing and [1].

In my opinion I suggest keeping Aruba1018's flag, not only is it the "full version" its also higher res.--SelfQ (talk) 14:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Probably a moot point now, but I did want to weigh in on my own reversions of the flag. I rolled back the Wang Jingwei Government article to a version with the flag sans pennant. When the editor logged in, I left them a welcome message, but did not construe the flag as vandalism. Rather, I thought it was inconsistent with the text of the article which stated the same flag was used by both the Wang and ROC governments. Since I can't read Chinese, and since the pennant flag was getting added with different versions that appeared to have different text, I removed the flag from the lead for the sake of consistency. Hiberniantears (talk) 14:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A SVG has been created by the Graphic Lab, for future notice it sould be used as the Offical flag for the Republic of China-Nanjing from 1940 till 1943 because it is the "full version". There are other versions that are currently being made into SVG's but those are variants and sould only be used in for example the flags article to point out that there are variants or when a article specific calls for that flag.

Conclusions

Appears to be a comedy of Huggle errors. Guys, please remember not to put too many pics on this page, just link to them as it makes SSP hard to load. If there's edit warring going on, see WP:RfPP. Scarian ^{Call me Pat!} 05:41, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]