Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/MiloDenn
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- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a permissions request that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.
WP:SNOW & WP:NOTNOW most of the concerns were due to the time frame of recent questionable actions, which the editor may not have been a part direct part of. But it is very clear that this RfA currently doesn't stand a chance per wp:SNOW, and due to the timing of the other incident, it would also qualify as wp:NOTNOW -- Enfcer (talk) 21:16, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
MiloDenn
[change source]| RfA of MiloDenn |
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End date: 11:36, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello all, and thanks for taking the time to read this. I imagine you get the following reasons most of the time, and for that I am sorry :), but here goes: the reason that I am requesting admin-ship is primarily to stop vandalism. For that purpose I would mainly be looking at QDs and VIP to help out there. However, I would also be happy to look at RfDs, impose page protection if it is needed and answer any concerns given on the Administrators noticeboard. I feel that with these tools I could make Wikipedia a better place (yes I know it's cheesy) and help the project. This of course does not mean that I would stop making/improving articles, and I would of course continue to do non-admin things as well, as these are vital for the project. As far as I know I meet all the requirements, and I have not done anything to horrific recently (having read through all the different policies again) - to those concerned about the sock situation, look on Admin noticeboard where you will find that I didn't do anything. I feel that my editing has improved to such a level where it is acceptable for me to use this tool, and I hope that you can trust me with it. If you have any concerns please let me know and I will try to address them as quickly as I can. Yours, as ever, MiloDenn, Talk, Contribs 11:36, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Candidate's acceptance: Self-nomination
Support
[change source]Oppose
[change source]- Oppose I would likely not have felt that MiloDenn was ready to be an admin anyway since I generally prefer editors to be around for more than a year to get a good feel for them. But to make a request right after all the nonsense that just happened seems to exemplify to me a lack of good judgement. -DJSasso (talk) 12:00, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- That is fine - I understand where you are coming from. That is kind of the problem though - people are making it out like it is my fault and I am somehow to blame. I thought that we had reached the conclusion that actually I hadn't done anything wrong. I had been planning in requesting adminship about now before all of that happened, so it wasn't so much poor judgement, but just planning to far ahead. However I completely understand what you are saying and I respect your opinion. Thanks, MiloDenn, Talk, Contribs 12:11, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you are missing the point, admin's not only have to know the policies, but they also have to understand how their actions look and how people will react to them so as to decide the best manor in which to handle something. If you didn't realize that posting this kind of request right after a messy situation that wasn't 100% conclusive would likely make people smack their head then you are missing a vital sense of "clue" which is necessary for an admin. -DJSasso (talk) 12:14, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh dear - sorry I might not be explaining myself clearly - of course I realised this, but since I was cleared of doing anything wrong, I thought that people wouldn't mind - I am extremely sorry. However, I would like to wait for a couple of people not involved in that incident to comment (you, Only, Auntof6, and Chrissymad may be a bit biased). Thanks for your feedback MiloDenn, Talk, Contribs 12:19, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- My apologies for my concerns about someone sharing an IP address with a vandal to be a "bias" somehow. Only (talk) 12:33, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- My apologies for your need to use sarcasm online. The explanation is perfectly simple, and all I meant is that you might be more hesitant - especially since you seem to think that anyone who isn't an admin is lying. As I have said before, there is a perfectly simple explanation, which Djsasso verified, and yet you still think that I am a vandal. If you can find one edit in my edit history that would suggest I had anything to do with it then show me and I will leave this wiki for ever - but if not then please stop bringing it up and trying to discredit me. Thanks, Milo, Talk, Contribs 12:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I should make it clear since you have mentioned it a few times, that I didn't verify anything in the way you think I did. Your IP did match the vandals. The vandals could be you. What I said was that I was inclined to believe they were not you. By no means were things conclusive. They very well could have been you but my gut was saying they probably were not. I left it up to the admins handling the situation to make the call. -DJSasso (talk) 12:42, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Well Only was the admin dealing with it - so he is being a massive hypocrite by saying everything that he is saying, since if he thought that I was the vandal he should have blocked me, yet he didn't block me which means that he doesn't think I am a vandal - but now he is effectively saying that I am. I don't know why he dislikes me so much, but I think his response has been very unfair. Milo, Talk, Contribs 13:17, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I am just going to point out he hasn't called you an vandal here at all. He said you shared an IP with one and that he had concerns when it happened indicating that to call that bias was silly. He also pointed out a comment you made where you got unreasonably hot headed. (not unlike you are doing here). I suggest you just sit back and let people comment on the RfA. Fighting with opposes is only proving his point. -DJSasso (talk) 13:40, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Well Only was the admin dealing with it - so he is being a massive hypocrite by saying everything that he is saying, since if he thought that I was the vandal he should have blocked me, yet he didn't block me which means that he doesn't think I am a vandal - but now he is effectively saying that I am. I don't know why he dislikes me so much, but I think his response has been very unfair. Milo, Talk, Contribs 13:17, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I should make it clear since you have mentioned it a few times, that I didn't verify anything in the way you think I did. Your IP did match the vandals. The vandals could be you. What I said was that I was inclined to believe they were not you. By no means were things conclusive. They very well could have been you but my gut was saying they probably were not. I left it up to the admins handling the situation to make the call. -DJSasso (talk) 12:42, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- My apologies for your need to use sarcasm online. The explanation is perfectly simple, and all I meant is that you might be more hesitant - especially since you seem to think that anyone who isn't an admin is lying. As I have said before, there is a perfectly simple explanation, which Djsasso verified, and yet you still think that I am a vandal. If you can find one edit in my edit history that would suggest I had anything to do with it then show me and I will leave this wiki for ever - but if not then please stop bringing it up and trying to discredit me. Thanks, Milo, Talk, Contribs 12:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- My apologies for my concerns about someone sharing an IP address with a vandal to be a "bias" somehow. Only (talk) 12:33, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh dear - sorry I might not be explaining myself clearly - of course I realised this, but since I was cleared of doing anything wrong, I thought that people wouldn't mind - I am extremely sorry. However, I would like to wait for a couple of people not involved in that incident to comment (you, Only, Auntof6, and Chrissymad may be a bit biased). Thanks for your feedback MiloDenn, Talk, Contribs 12:19, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you are missing the point, admin's not only have to know the policies, but they also have to understand how their actions look and how people will react to them so as to decide the best manor in which to handle something. If you didn't realize that posting this kind of request right after a messy situation that wasn't 100% conclusive would likely make people smack their head then you are missing a vital sense of "clue" which is necessary for an admin. -DJSasso (talk) 12:14, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- That is fine - I understand where you are coming from. That is kind of the problem though - people are making it out like it is my fault and I am somehow to blame. I thought that we had reached the conclusion that actually I hadn't done anything wrong. I had been planning in requesting adminship about now before all of that happened, so it wasn't so much poor judgement, but just planning to far ahead. However I completely understand what you are saying and I respect your opinion. Thanks, MiloDenn, Talk, Contribs 12:11, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- oppose per DJSasso and also based on this issue from yesterday: User_talk:MiloDenn#Which_incident.3F. To give context, MiloDenn scolded There'sNoTime for taking "the incident with me" (his being caught in the autoblock of a vandal) "way to [sic] seriously" when There'sNoTime never commented on his situation. Additionally, the fact that he believes that his situation was not significant and needed to have multiple explanations of why we were requesting checkuser input shows he is not close to ready for adminship. Only (talk) 12:08, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Again, I completely understand - that was a stupid mistake on my part, and I feel very bad about it. Again I would just like to reiterate that I haven't done anything wrong at all as regards to that whole sockpuppet thing, so I think that basing your argument of that is a little harsh. Thanks, MiloDenn, Talk, Contribs 12:13, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- In addition to that I completely understood why it was important, and I cooperated with the admins happily after I realised what had happened. MiloDenn, Talk, Contribs 12:15, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I still have my doubts which my decade of Wikipedia adminship affords me. Only (talk) 12:33, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Doubts about what - if you can find one reason not to do with that sock thing then I will close this request and never try again. It would be much more useful to everyone if you do that instead. Thanks, Milo, Talk, Contribs 12:41, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I still have my doubts which my decade of Wikipedia adminship affords me. Only (talk) 12:33, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- In addition to that I completely understood why it was important, and I cooperated with the admins happily after I realised what had happened. MiloDenn, Talk, Contribs 12:15, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Again, I completely understand - that was a stupid mistake on my part, and I feel very bad about it. Again I would just like to reiterate that I haven't done anything wrong at all as regards to that whole sockpuppet thing, so I think that basing your argument of that is a little harsh. Thanks, MiloDenn, Talk, Contribs 12:13, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - Like above I want admins who have been here more than a year and you've only been here since the end of December,
- You were autoblocked only 4 days ago for using the same IP as a vandal - Not accusing you not at all but to be autoblocked isn't great but it could be an innocent mistake,
- The comment yesterday was way out of order - Sure you apologised but then in that apology you also said "However what I said still applies: CALM DOWN!" - That really doesn't help any situation - You should've apologised and left it at that,
- IMHO what with the autoblock as well as the comment I have to agree this RFA was done in very poor judgement and whether you were going to do it before all of this happened or not is irrelevant - It's still very poor judgement and IMHO should never have been done so early - :You should've let the dust settle and try in a year or 2. –Davey2010Talk 14:32, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose (and snow close) There is a complete failure here to understand basic policies and how the project works but I won't go into great detail since I'm not even sure why this is being entertained. After some more thought and reading through this RfA, stuff like this
Well Only was the admin dealing with it - so he is being a massive hypocrite by saying...
shows a complete lack of civility and frankly, piss poor judgement on the candidates behalf. RfA is about the editor running, not other people and certainly not a place to file your grievances on WMF policy. Chrissymad (talk) 14:47, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - Per most of the above. Your activity looks a tad sporadic too, with only 23 edits in a 3 month period between April and June. Your QD nominations look good, as do your vandalism reversions, however I share the concerns of the above editors in regards to questionable judgement and decorum. The autoblocking incident just a few days ago and the subsequent discussion may also leave a sour taste in the mouths of many. I'm afraid I can't support you here. If you wish to become an administrator, I would recommend reflecting upon the comments here and reapplying in ~6 months time. --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) 17:28, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]