Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Walter Humala

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellany page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was meh. This issue is just too messy to do much - a group nomination of non-identical pages with various reasonings applying to them, a bunch of "votes" on either side that don't give a rationale (and several that do), vote stacking, and the pages have apparently been modified and/or improved since the MFD started. I'll simply close this as a lack of consensus, and look over Walter's pages to strike the worst objectionable parts and policy violations, if any. >Radiant< 09:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Walter Humala

User:Walter Humala (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User:Walter Humala/Best sig2 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User:Walter Humala/welcome noobie (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nearly everything in subspaces (Current exceptions are User:Walter Humala/Bio and User:Walter Humala/Federico Villareal)
File:Troll Emperor.png (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User:Walter Humala/Awards (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User:Walter Humala/Emperor (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is a batch MFD for several items in Walter Humala's userspace, starting with his actual user page and including some templates he uses.

Firstly, his userpage is a blatant violation of WP:NOT#WEBSPACE. Wikipedia does allow its users to have a user page, but the extent of "decoration" Walter Humala uses is a violation of several policies.
The sig is a blatant violation of WP:SIG; it takes up six lines on my computer, at least nine on some others, and it's a template.
The newbie welcoming template is also an issue, as it is a template that he does not substitute, it includes his signature, and it has the image he editted which may falsely support his actual status on "West Wikipedia."
The image, Image:Troll Emperor.png, that he uses within his userpage and some templates should be included with this MFD, as it can only really be applied here instead of sending it to a separate IFD discussion.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
His awards page is completely falsified.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More contents of his user subspace will be added here as I find them.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Contents such as those here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixindex&from=Walter+Humala&namespace=2 —Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nom. Over-the-top I think. --Majorly _{(o rly?)} 22:16, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I can't even click on the MfD link from his userpage! —Centrx→talk • 22:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete all, I can't really even begin to say where this violates WP:NOT, WP:USER, and WP:SIG. --Core desat 22:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
WP:PERF aside, delete everything here as an abuse of Wikimedia servers and violation of multiple policies. He can recreate the userpage if he wants, but, as it stands now, it is completely over-the-top. Picaroon 22:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 23:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete most per nom. However, just to clarify, nom states "Nearly everything in subspaces." (emphasis added) In my mind this would exclude subpages ~~like User:Walter Humala/Awards~~ that seem fine by policy. I have not had time to go through and check all subpages, but I trust someone will. Dar-Ape 23:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, many of these awards seem inauthentic as RHB pointed out. Dar-Ape 00:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all except ~~User:Walter Humala/Awards~~, User:Walter_Humala/Bio and User:Walter Humala/Federico Villareal. Majorly over the top, and I have to scroll to reach the MfD. RHB ^{Talk - Edits} 23:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Changed my mind, awards should go too, because he has awarded most of them to himself/copied them from another user's page. RHB ^{Talk - Edits} 23:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Awards will go, however Bio and Federico Villareal should probably not be included.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all -- the only things he's missing is blinking text and background music. -- ArglebargleIV 04:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
COMMENT I honestly do not see the problem with this stuff. The user seems to have good intentions, and its not transparent enough to me why this nom. has occurred. What is behind all this? Jerry lavoie 04:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all except awards. None of this serves any purpose, but the fake awards do help to delegitimize a particularly offensive practice on this encyclopedia. —ptk✰fgs 05:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all Some its a bit Over the top but its user subpages, I have my sig kept on a user sub page, yes his/hers is a little long!Tellyaddict^{Editor review!} 13:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, BUT pare down the welcome template. Ab e g92contribs 14:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)![reply]
Keep all but Hello everyone who said keep, for the others, vould you please consider delete those subpages, you don't know how long it took me to create them, deleting won't be gently. I'm thinking instead, removing all libellous text (like "emperor" ones), but please don't delete them. If I had no choice, plese give some time to copy them to notepad before you delete them. Thank you. -- Walter Humala - King one! 15:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This is the fact that your userpage is flooded with content that makes it impossible to view correctly. Jimbo's page is easier to read. And deletion isn't automatic; you can copy the contents into your personal files before this MFD is completed.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - First of all check changes I've made to my Userpage and its subpages, now they look better.-- Walter Humala - King one! 21:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - And I still don't know whats the deal with you against me and my stuff. You insist on deleting it, please don't, thanks-- Walter Humala - King one! 21:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All. WAAAAAAAAAY too cluttered. Surely you could organize yourself a little better? How much of this stuff is actually related to Wikipedia man? Also, avoiding ostentatious titles like "The Emperor of West Wikipedia" in your welcome messages to new users might be a good idea too. As well as avoiding things like 1) uploading images that you aren't going to use in articles, 2) giving yourself fake awards and encouraging people to give you awards by promising to give them one back, 3) using ONE sandbox and overwriting old material when you're done with it, and 4) putting stuff like this in a .txt file on your computer instead of in your userspace. Just so over the top man. How much time have you spent on this? Have you considered getting a MySpace? – Lantoka (talk) 02:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- All right lantoka, I heared your concern on my welcome temp, I removed emperor stuff. -- Walter Humala - King one! 02:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment there is extreme amount of canvassing going on by Walter Humala right now. See his contributions. It looks like 17 different users so far. Metros232 05:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All right man, I will stop. But let me tell you my reason for canvassing.

Talk pages were I "canvassed" were from people with the same issue than me, they have too many subpages, by helping me, they would also save themselves from MFd's. Thanks Metro223(I couldn't read your policy message 'cuz I was too busy canvassing). -- Walter Humala - King one! 06:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Follow-up comment I removed all his canvassing, gave him a {{canvass}} on his talk page. He continued, I warned him to stop, he did. Then 7 hours later he reverted all my removals. Because of this, I have blocked him for 6 hours, Metros232 14:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all emperor stuff - User is keeping dozens of modified templates under his/her user space, and the modifications extend solely to changing "user" to "emperor" in most cases. A lot of the things are OK, but get rid of "Emperor of West Wikipedia"; it's just not true. — Tuvok[^T@lk/_{Improve me}] 06:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with an admonishment that most of it needs to be removed, or else it will be relisted here in a set time period. - WeniWidiWiki 06:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm sure his user page(s) can be managed without resorting to outright deletion of everything. I'm not really even clear on why anything at all needs to be done. Everyking 11:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever - but keep the awards, just like user User Ptkfgs said. Awards are very silly indeed; something that people in teen forums would give each other (a awadr 4 U LOL ROFL :) etc, etc). In fact, he should be encouraged to award himself more of them. Absolutely. Gardener of Geda | Message Me.... 12:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Everyking. Kamope·?·! Sign! 12:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: User was canvassed—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - While the sig may not be the best, let him change it, dont delete it. If he changes it, shouldent he be allowed to keep the old one for historical references? On his userpage, he has cleand it up, alot. I personally see nothing wrong with it now. Overall, I think this editor is willing to clean this stuff up and deleting it would be pointless. Keep All. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - What do you mean his awards page is completley falsified? [1] here hs is given an award on his talk page from Why1991. [2] he is smiled at by Jerry Lavoie on his talk page and [3] here he is given an award from armando. I would personalyl be very offended if I was accused of faking my awards because I move them to a sepearate template. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment on my Comment - I found the older versions looking through ths hist. However, he has cleaned it up. This editor is making every attempt here, i think we should assume good faith and give them a chance to remedy the situation before trying to delete there stuff. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the user page as it stands currently. --Dweller 14:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: User was canvassed—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all I don't see the point of deleting any of this stuff Qmwnebrvtcyxuz 14:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: User was canvassed—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete - CSD G1 ^demon^{[omg plz]} 19:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This user is a strong contributer to Wikipedia. He has nearly 500 edits on the mainspace and a little over 100 on Wikipedia articles. Yes he has worked on his userpage alot, but it would only be right to let him keep his pages since he is also keeping up in helping make Wikipedia a better place. If we keep angering people off of Wikipedia then there will be nowhere near enough users to maintain it and it just might all come crashing down. This is why I vote keep. --γιατί ^{Sign Here | ESP.} 23:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: User was canvassed—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all - This user is a good contributor. It's not as if he spends all his time fixing his subpages. Let the guy have a little fun. ♥Tohru Honda13♥ 23:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: User was canvassed—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all (and I'm generally not in favor of over done user pages.) If this page is over the top, I suppose we should nominate User:Essjay for deletion next. —Doug Bell ^talk 02:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Essjay is probably in excruciating pain after being exposed to MediaWiki template and linking syntax to that extent, so some leniency might be in order. This user, however - I don't know... =) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 09:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep some all usbx template alteration pages should be deleted I just don't get the point. Keep everything else. Moniter him. Basically get rid of all template alterations with "emperor...". Most of things on his userpages seem good. Some ppl obviously for deletion had a sorta edit war with Walter Humala on my discussion page and that kinda annoyed me (got my attention).-Ran da l l l in 04:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: User was canvassed—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Some more suggestions of changes you can implement that may perhaps sway things in your favor, Walter: 5) Make liberal use of {{db-userreq}} to delete existing pages that you don't need. 6) Now that your signature is shorter, delete that page and just use the custom signature option under My Preferences (click on Raw Signature). 7) Get rid of as much clutter as possible. The main reason this is here at all isn't because the userpage is badly designed (although that's a big part of it, but it isn't a crime), it's because of all of the extra clutter and "junk" you have that violates WP:NOT#Webhost. Just some suggestions to appease the community. – Lantoka (talk) 04:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I still say if his page has to go, we nominate User:Essjay next. Although MUCH better designed, it is also MUCH more over the top. —Doug Bell ^talk 04:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That example sprang to mind when I was considering my !vote as well. You gotta admit though... there's a LOT of differences between those two user pages. – Lantoka (talk) 05:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep most -- If every subpage of his is going to be deleted, we might as well delete every user subpage that has some fun in it, like every Wikipedian's autograph page. Besides, all these pages took a LONG time to build up and you're just trashing every single one away and act as if nothing happened? I still agree some pages are just nonsense, but sending every single one of them into cyberspace is ridiculous! ~~Eugene 2x ^{Sign here} ☺ ~~ 04:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: User was canvassed—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Right now, I only really feel that the sigs, the newbie welcome, the troll emperor image, and the forked user boxes need to go. His user page has been radically changed, but there are still issues with items in his subspace.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all as above: Ryulong summed it up: "sigs, the newbie welcome, the troll emperor image, and the forked user boxes need to go". User is canvassing, almost all keep votes come from canvassed users. -Wo o ty Woot? contribs 08:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Massive substage. Sorry, I'm not properly coffeed to make hard decisions about user pages, but if something needs to be done gone, it's the forked userboxes. No big problem with the front page as such. And the user should highly not use a template signature; please cram it in preferences like everyone to avoid vandalism and server strain =) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 09:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Canvassing. I'm one of the users humala canvassed and he's not getting a vote from me. I never heard of him before he posted his plea on my talk page with an odd image of a musclebound weightlifter (since removed) and I have no reason to vote in this Mfd. I do agree with Wwwwolf about the forked userboxes. — Athænara ✉ 11:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Canvassing postscript: A rough count shows approximately 13 unambiguous Deletes while at least 8 of approximately 14 Keeps were from canvassed users. Perhaps there should be a separate "Canvassed" subsection on this page. — Æ. ✉ 22:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. If you hadn't noticed, this is not an article, it's a user page!...If you have any problem with having several sub-pages...why don't you go and check the user pages of some adms...user pages full of things and redundance...and everything is templates... Armando.O ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: User was canvassed — Tuvok[^T@lk/_{Improve me}] 21:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This is a userpage, and tbh.. it makes me laugh a bit. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 21:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: User was not canvassed thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 21:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The userpage is no longer the issue. Several other subpages are.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
delete "emperorboxes" and related, and sig, keep others for now. Also strongly encourage User:Walter Humala to tag anything else that can be gotten rid of with {{db-userreq}}. His userspace definitely needs to be cleaned up, but nuking it seems over the top. Quantity of subpages are no basis for deletion --Random832 12:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note, on the /Awards page - he's removed most of the awards, and I think that per WP:AGF we can suppose that he moved rather than created the others until further investigation --Random832 12:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)User:Chrislk02 has done the necessary investigation, awards page should not be deleted. --Random832 14:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I think it's pretty clear at this point which pages the community objects to. Walter should just {{userreq}} those pages so that he can keep the rest of his userpage and so that we can call it a day. – Lantoka (talk) 17:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this is a ludicrous and pedantic nomination. Within reason, a user has a right to put whatever they like in their userspace. And if he wants to call himself "Emperor of West Wikipedia", what harm does it do? Strong reprimand to the nominator and to all of the Delete voters. I would like to remind them to assume good faith in relation to this editor's intentions. Walton monarchist89 18:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll second this reprimand. —Doug Bell ^talk 18:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would also second such a reprimand. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Thanks yall, I wanna make some comments, starting with "emperor" userboxes:
The existence of "emperor" userboxes may comply with Wikipedia:Userbox migration policies. So I don't see much problem than my claim of being an emperor from somewhere in the world (or webspace). --Walter Humala - King one! 01:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't think that WP:GUS covers "This Emperor likes basketball" userboxes.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe for users who call themselves "emperors". --Walter Humala - King one! 03:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all. So long as an editor contributes and doesn't slander, copyvio, or invade the privacy of others, I have no quarrel with their having tons of information and many subpages. I have tons of information and have made at least 50 subpages of my userpage (including User:BD2412/signature). The ability to organize my User space to this extent has contributed to my ability to contribute to the project as a whole. bd2412 T 02:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

So do I, thanks. --Walter Humala - King one! 02:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on sig: Hi, about my User:Walter Humala/Best sig2 which was considered for deletion by many users, well if you delete it unfortunatelly all coments I've made on talkpages since Dec '06 will remain orphaned. Now please show me how generous you are. Thanks.–– Walte r Humala · ^{( wanna talk? )} 06:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Nice sig, but waaaaay too many subpages. — Athænara ✉ 07:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Walter, I can easily get someone to make a script to substitute your signature across all of the pages you used it. The issue is, you shouldn't have left it unsubstituted in the first place.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
While that's true, it's an issue with his sig, and not a reason to delete any of his pages. —Doug Bell ^talk 07:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Query: What's the real deal with this page?

- Is it a sensible nomination?

- Do the user's templates slow the wikiloading times?

- Is the massive number of subpages a violation of Wikipedia-is-not-myspace.com?

- Is it simply a grab bag of items objected to for different reasons by different people who seem unable to reach consensus about any one of them or the whole? — Athænara ✉ 10:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all I think we should not keep users from giving information about themselves (it is also ok to not give any information), even if some of them exaggerate. Information about a user may be relevant in judging someones contribution and a possible conflict of interest. Also, userpages have some importance in community building.--Grace E. Dougle 20:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all with exceptions for reasonable subpages, (/Bio, /Awards, /Esperanza, /Gallery, /More, /Sandbox, /Signatures, /Talk, /ToDoList, /VandalBox) template pages (/Strongeditoraward, /header, /welcome noobie), and possible articles in progress (/Chinatown, Lima, Federico Villareal, /History of Lima, /Peruvian Society). Subst and delete /Style and any sig templates. No opinion on /Awards. The "emperor" userbox pages are overkill, it can't hurt to remove sandbox subpages two through five, a few of the test templates are arguably useless, and the troll emperor image just seems inappropriate. It's not at all uncommon for users to have their own welcoming template, and I think that should be encouraged rather than not, although he arguably should be using it with subst:. Cheers, Afluent Rider 21:52, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all. Not that much personal webspace content, 'emperor' appears to be gone. User can {{db-userreq}} them himself after he is done with content-related subpages. Are forked userboxes against policy? Although they are pointless, they also don't put great injustice upon anyone. Pomte 15:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all except the welcome newbie page and the signature page (doesn't resemble username of user). Nothing else needs removing. --Seans Potato Business 00:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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