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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:02, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

no source provided, uploader was prolific (c) violator; given the lack of source, suspect that this also is a copyright violation Skier Dude (talk) 01:47, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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no source provided, uploader was prolific (c) violator; given the lack of source, suspect that this also is a copyright violation Skier Dude (talk) 01:48, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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no source provided, uploader was prolific (c) violator; given the lack of source, suspect that this also is a copyright violation Skier Dude (talk) 01:48, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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no source provided, uploader was prolific (c) violator; given the lack of source, suspect that this also is a copyright violation Skier Dude (talk) 01:48, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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no source provided, uploader was prolific (c) violator; given the lack of source, suspect that this also is a copyright violation Skier Dude (talk) 01:48, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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no source provided, uploader was prolific (c) violator; given the lack of source, suspect that this also is a copyright violation Skier Dude (talk) 01:51, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Adding File:SialkotRiksha.jpg File:Murray College Sialkot.jpg File:SMC Sialkot.jpg File:Sialkot MC Sialkot.jpg File:Slk Fort Ruines2.jpg File:Sialkot Golf Club.jpg File:PunjabAssemblyBuilding.jpg File:TownHallSialkot.jpg File:War Monument sialkot.jpg File:Saga Square.jpg File:Wazirabad Road.jpg File:Residential Area Sialkot.jpg File:WarMonument2.jpg for the same reason - note that exif data is aso very suspicious. Skier Dude (talk) 02:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned userphoto of inactive user. — Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 04:39, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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On Commons, where deletion discussion is taking place (commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Claude Aikins.jpg); fair use doesn't appear to be likely. Magog the Ogre (talk) 04:59, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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OR, claims to be cover for some undefined something... Skier Dude (talk) 06:32, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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orphaned user's iamge; no other encyc use Skier Dude (talk) 06:48, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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orphaned, subject not ID'd Skier Dude (talk) 06:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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orphaned user image; no other encyc use Skier Dude (talk) 07:23, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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orphaned user image; no other encyc use Skier Dude (talk) 07:26, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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orphaned, subject not ID'd Skier Dude (talk) 07:37, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned, Low Quality, Unencyclopedic, no foreseeable use. FASTILY_s ^(TALK) 10:33, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned, Low Quality vanity photo, Unencyclopedic, no foreseeable use. FASTILY_s ^(TALK) 10:33, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned, Low Quality, dim, no foreseeable use. FASTILY_s ^(TALK) 10:33, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Seems to be incorrect: Replaced by uploader by a new version. Leyo 13:21, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. -FASTILY ^(TALK) 02:24, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Photo is taken directly from a newspaper website, violates WP:NFCC#2 by replacing the market role of a current events photo. I'm not really seeing any explanation of why this image is "historic". Kelly ^hi! 15:07, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP - deleting this would prove Wikipedia sides with the fascist California regime suppressing freedom of speech!!

Keep (at a reduced resolution). If properly reduced in size to say 200*300, hosting this image is acceptable under the NFCC policy. Regarding #2, nobody would buy this image at that thumb size to use in current events coverage. If people believe otherwise, please provide a plausible explanation of why you think so, perhaps an example of a news site actually using such an image as part of their journalistic output. We are not sourcing this from an image agency either so it is not in violation of WP:NFC#UUI point 7 - the declared source of Wayne Tilcock/Enterprise is indeed the stated owner of the copyright anDelete - I think trying to claim "historic" for a week-old event is a bit of a disconnect from reality. Also, this isn't an article on "the pepper-spray incident", it is an article on the Occupy UCDavis overall. Tarc (talk) 15:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)d the end user. They clearly intend to use it at the high resolution as part of that image gallery, whereas we will be using a single image at low resolution. That's not a competing interest, if anything it's complementary given backlinks. Regarding the claimed purpose of use, while not phrased particularly well currently, it's clear from the sourced statements in the article Occupy UC Davis where it's being used, why this image is already considered to be an important/historic event ("Bull Connor Moment" etc), and it also contains critical commentary of the incident which is not replaced by text alone ("pepper-hose" etc). If it's deleted, the ability for the reader to both interpret those statements and appreciate the event's significance is going to be severely undermined. The NFCC is there not only to specify what cannot be used, it also exists to stop deletions of valid uses which would have that detrimental effect, ie, the NFCC exists "To facilitate the judicious use of non-free content to support the development of a high-quality encyclopedia". All other NFCC conditions are also satisfied in a trivial manner, although as is being discussed, moving it further down to a more appropriate place in the article is probably warranted, but that's hardly a case for deletion. DCron (talk) 18:53, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If a reader can see the image here, what reason would they have to visit the newspaper website? And I'm not seeing any sourced commentary on this particular image, only on the event it depicts. So perhaps the event is historic but the photo itself is not. Can we simply provide a link to the image's source? Kelly ^hi! 19:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Because it would larger over there (once this one is reduced), and they have a gallery too. That's because their purpose of use (providing timely news & images of the protest) is different to ours (providing justifiably illustrated encyclopedic content about the protests). I don't agree with your distinction between the image and the event - they are one and the same to me looking at the text & the image. If simply providing a link was OK, we wouldn't allow any non-free content would we? All of it can ultimately be replaced by links, can't it? DCron (talk) 19:52, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NFC#UUI clearly says that we do not take images from news agencies. I'm not understanding your point that stealing a lower-resolution version is OK. Kelly ^hi! 20:37, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I already covered UUI - it's not an agency photo, it's been taken from the source, who is a staff photographer not a freelancer or re-distributor, and is properly described as such on the image page. If it was marked 'Getty Images' et al (and nobody reduces it in size), then yes there's a case we would then be undermining Getty's revenue stream (even though anyone who re-used it from here would be breaking the law anyway, because we are not advertising it for re-use but as justified nfcc). In this case, it's not an agency image, it's already being used in the place where it derives revenue. As for why it should be low resolution, it's because if that was done, there'd be no plausible conflict here regarding the remaining aspect of NFCC#2, namely attracting readership, because the newspaper's use of high res photos in a gallery to do that is not challenged or compromised by our use of a single low res photo. As a final point, please do not characterise other people's good faith uploads as an attempt at theft, that can easily be taken as disrespectful. We can politely disagree on the finer points of NFCC, without impugning people's motives. DCron (talk) 21:16, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify - are you claiming that the photo was not taken by a commercial news organization? What is the essential difference between this news corp and any other? Kelly ^hi! 21:20, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

UUI7 refers to an "agency", not an "organisation" (AP & Getty etc are agencies). The reason for that is because an agency's primary purpose is to re-distribute images/copy for profit, and thus they can be undermined by people copying their work before its been sold to as many takers as possible. What we have here though is not an agency, but a photographer who is working on the staff of this paper, who took the photo for this paper, who are already using it. Thus we cannot undermine their revenue from distribution, only by diverting readers from their existing article/gallery, which we do not when we properly follow the other criteria laid down in the NFCC. DCron (talk) 21:37, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be pretty fine legalistic hair-splitting. The terms of use of The Davis Enterprise make it clear they license their content to others (for instance, under "Intellectual Property", they refer to "licensors" more than once). Also, you're still conflating "historic image" with "historic event". We could use an image under fair use if the image itself were the subject of commentary, not the event it depicts. Otherwise WP:NFCC would allow to use non-free images for any historic event, which is clearly not the case. Can anyone provide any evidence that this particular photo by The Davis Enterprise has been the subject of widespread commentary in reliable sources? Kelly ^hi! 23:23, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The difference between an agency and a newspaper is not exactly hair splitting, they're as different as well, the guy who trucks gas around the country, and the guy that pumps it. I would be amazed if it turned out that the reason that the UUI#7 clause focuses on agencies is just an oversight, and it was meant to cover all images sourced from newspapers. There's some fairly iconic images out there that are still the sole property of news organisations/staffers, how would we ever be able to use them given this blanket ban? And those T&C's just seem to be the standard waffle you get for any company's website, not just newspapers. I don't think they show anything germaine, it would be different if you had found a specific clause or section which instructs/directs people what to do if they want to buy their staff photos. Their "licensor" in this case is more than likely their staffer, not re-users. Permission can be obtained they say, but again, that's standard. And yes, I'm conflating the image with the event, because I really don't see the distinction here that you seem to. Sure, NFCC doesn't allow random photos to be used in any old historical article just because they're historical, but we are also not restricted to just using historic/iconic nfc in articles like the flag raising at Iwo Jima or the Napalm Girl. The relevant clause there is whether "its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding". The article very clearly has commentary on what is _precisely_ being depicted by the photo which cuts to the heart of that purpose. Just because nobody discusses this particular image out of the 10s or more that must have been taken of the exact same incident, is not important. DCron (talk) 00:41, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - is there a reason this can't be replaced with a free image per WP:NFCC#1 instead of using a commercially-produced image from a news agency? I see people with cameras everywhere in this photo. Kelly ^hi! 19:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NFCC#1 - "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose". That does not bar images that theoretically could be replaced, it only bars images where a "free equivalent is available" & obviously one cannot be "created" now, it has to come from an existing source. By all means, if someone makes one available that serves the same purpose, I'll vote delete, particularly because we could then use it at the highest resolution. DCron (talk) 19:52, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone asked the Occupy UC Davis organizers for a free image? Kelly ^hi! 20:37, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's my understanding that these protests are not supposed to have organizers. DCron (talk) 21:16, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nonetheless we have scores of free images from these protests provided by the participants. Kelly ^hi! 21:20, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Images that "would serve the same encyclopedic purpose"? DCron (talk) 21:39, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually they have an official website with contact information. Kelly ^hi! 21:23, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Odd. That goes against what I'd heard about these things. Drop them a line then. DCron (talk) 21:39, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So a free image could be obtained? Kelly ^hi! 23:23, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No idea, it depends on who you can contact and whether they accept Wikipedia's image licensing, which includes commercial re-use. I really wouldn't want to speculate on where these protestors sit on that particular fence. But NFCC#1 is clear, this only comes to play if it "is" available. The "could" part only applies to theoretical situations like you 'could' go and get a photo of a building or a person etc, it does not apply to this sort of situation where you are reliant on finding a released image, or persuading someone to release one. DCron (talk) 00:41, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, historic-- one of a kind image that has achieved substantial notoriety after spreading worldwide. For example, see "John Pike" meme for several thousand examples of derivative images based on this one image. The fact that there are 60,000+ parody versions of the image should suggest that yes, this image and precisely this image is historic. While there might be other similar pictures, this picture is the one being used as the primary source for the meme. (It's easy to imagine that the meme could wind up becoming notable enough to merit an article at some point in the future... or maybe not). Tangledorange (talk) 13:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I think trying to claim "historic" for a week-old event is a bit of a disconnect from reality. Also, this isn't an article on "the pepper-spray incident", it is an article on the Occupy UCDavis overall. Tarc (talk) 15:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, you don't want Wikipedia to use one-week-old images because one week isn't historical enough? fine. Then what do we need you for? A robot can mindlessly delete, while a journalist has duties as a vital part of democracy. Which are you? Somebody with no judgment who should be replaced with a script? Or someone capable of excercising your own decisionmanking skills?

Most of all, if some minorities don't want Wikipedia to use images like this, why not just go away! Let the rest of us write the the best articles we can, while staying within the law. IF wikipedia isn't the institution that does fair journalism-- in Tehran, Tahrir, or California-- help us find a real journalistic organization that's like wikipedia only takes its fourth-estate duties seriously. It's donation season-- who should we be donating to, Tarc, if not Wikipedia?

Keep at a reduced resolution. The photo has a much higher resolution than is required to document the event, but that's it. 1) There is not currently a free alternative, and it's far from obvious that there will be one. Of course everything that can be done to get one and has not been tried yet needs to be done. 2) As I said, the resolution must be reduced. But nothing needs to be cut off, as the entire surrounding scene is relevant for understanding the monstrosity of what is shown on the photo. 4)-7) Clear. 8) The photo is iconic for Occupy UC Davis and in particular for the police violence section. As it is also required to fully understand the third lead sentence, its placement in the lead is OK. 9) Clear. 10) Everything fine. And yes, it's a historic moment that will no doubt be remembered at UC Davis for decades to come unless it should get overshadowed by something even worse. Hans Adler 23:39, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per Tarc. However, if the consensus is to keep the image, I would favor (1) a lower resolution and (2) a different placement in the article. I understand Hans's comment about the lead mentioning it, but it still draws too much attention to one aspect of the occupation.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:09, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Non-free reduced version uploaded on 07:29, 26 November 2011.[1] Viriditas (talk) 07:32, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As much as I'd love to keep the image, there is just too much of an issue of infringing on the rights of the newspaper that owns it, and WP:LOWRES is unlikely to really fix that. And arguing WP:ITSHISTORIC for something that just happened is unconvincing. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:00, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And I ought to add that WP:ITSHISTORIC would be just as flawed an argument even if the event were clearly historic. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:26, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have any evidence that any human on the entire planet who has a right over this image objects to its use here? Do we have any evidence that with millions of copies on the web, our use is even illegal? Do we have any reason to believe that if people can use the image everywhere for free, it would somehow be illegal for us to use it? point blank, does wikipedia even care what the law is, or is it just trying to abolish fair use if we don't use fair use images, even when itshistoric, who is beneifity from that ad hoc stance? cause it doesnt feel like we are. and readers damn sure arent being served by it. Lastly, if Wikipedia is closing shop on covering HISTORIC events if they can possibly justify not doing so based on some trumped out legalese, who should those of us who fell for Wikipedias rhetoric start giving our time and money to now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomcommenter (talk • contribs) 23:41, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, not according to Wikipedia editors, but according to the repeated assertions of historical importance made by reliable secondary sources like journalist Katharine Q. Seelye of the NYT and professor Robert Thompson at Syracuse University.[2] (web cite) According to Seelye, the image led to a national debate, and is extremely powerful because the use of pepper spray on protestors is rarely captured on film. Robert Thompson considers the image to be of significant interest as it represents a distinct period of history with a particular feature: "...the public rarely witnesses such scenes, and that was one of the reasons that the video from Davis was so powerful. It captured many elements — seated protesters being doused with a bright orange spray by campus officers, whose body language appeared surprisingly casual..."What makes this so oddly interesting is that those officers don’t look like the Chicago police in 1968,” said Robert Thompson, a professor of popular culture at Syracuse University. They are so casual, he said, "it's as if they were called because someone was sunbathing naked on the quad." All of these elements, Mr. Thompson said, added up to a riveting image. "All of these contradictions are jammed into that little video, where we have this casual disenfranchising of rights, but it is a new era, where pepper spray is used as opposed to batons and guns." The assertions made by Seelye and Thompson are supported by many additional sources. In other words, we have multiple, non-trivial mentions of the image in notable, mainstream sources and its inclusion in the article adds significantly to the article on Occupy UC Davis because the image and its historical significance are the object of discussion. Viriditas (talk) 20:17, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - false rationale - to, "Illustrate historical moment in the history of UC Davis and the Occupy movement." - its clearly a picture of a policeman pepper spraying some demonstrators and the rationale clearly states a historical moment and yet the picture is being used in the lede to represent the whole protest. Commons compatible pictures are also clearly available, there were hundreds of people with phone-cams and cameras at these protests that occurred over many days there and the false usage of this non free picture in the lede to represent the whole event is restricting efforts to find one. If the rationale is tightened to specifically portray a discussed event in the protest and used directly to portray that I would reconsider. Picture is also still unnecessarily large for non free usage even if the rationale was reasonable. Youreallycan (talk) previously was Off2riorob - 21:41, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- 1) The sources have said that this is a historical moment, and we go with what the sources say.[3] 2) There is no evidence that there are any commons compatible images available, and if there are, you will need to show us a link. 3) The image is not unnecessarily large for free usage as it was reduced from 702 x 500 to 351 x 250, which is the visual limit for seeing detail at the average screen resolution of 1526 x 967.[4] Viriditas (talk) 23:34, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So if the sources say if is a historical moment - and you want to use this picture you should rewrite the rationale and move the picture to the content about that specific claimed historic moment, and I don't need to prove there are commons compatible pictures - that is assumed. The picture size also - if you want to use a picture that is owned by someone and a sale-able item that your are basically reducing its value by claiming you can use it as a non free image you rather get your rationale tight and keep the image size as small as possible - there is no minor detail in this non free picture that requires pixal size - as long as you can see the pepper spray and the people sitting there its big enough - I would personally cut the picture size in half again and specifically focus the non free rationale on the notable historic moment and use the picture in the relevant section in the article to add detail to the specific content about that moment if I was wanting to keep it under a claim of non free usage under En guidelines - without those caveats, it's a delete. Youreallycan (talk) 00:24, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The current rationale is fine and the sources have made it clear that this is a unique historic image directly associated with Occupy UC Davis. In fact, the UCD protest has become known as a result of this image, and the sources say that. It is not assumed that there are commons compatible images available, and previous discussion on this subject has addressed this point. It sounds like you are adding comments without reading the discussion. The image has already been reduced from 702 x 500 to 351 x 250. If it is reduced again per your suggestion, it would appear at 177 x 126, a size that is so small, the demonstrators become unidentifiable, and it appears that the police officer is spraying a pile of wet clothes, not people. Similarly, if we were to take your suggestion and apply it to File:Kent_State_massacre.jpg, the expression of shock on the lady's face would become unidentifiable and the body would appear like a piece of driftwood rather than a human being. Therefore, I strongly object to your proposal, which amounts to an attempt to dehumanize the subjects of the photograph and lessen its impact by misusing Wikipedia content policies and guidelines as a weapon of censorship. Viriditas (talk) 00:43, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need to be able to identify the protesters to see that people are being sprayed with pepper spray - and that is one of the reasons the non free use rational is so false and needs tightening. Your worries about dehumanizing of the protesters and your worries that the dramatic affects of the picture will be diminished clearly is not something that as wikipedia editors we should have any opinion about. It's also of no importance at all as regards your desire to use a non free picture against the aims and ambitions of the project for commons comparable pictures free to use for educational purposes. I again state - this picture is of a policeman pepper spraying a group of protesters on the floor - the current usage of this picture to represent the whole protest in the lede is false and the current non free usage rationale is also false. If you assert your non free usage is due to the historic expression of shock on the lady's face while being pepper sprayed then we can look at that but currently the non free use rationale is just false. Youreallycan (talk) 00:51, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your proposal to shrink the image to 177 x 126 would make it impossible to identify and understand the critical commentary about the image, and is an attempt to misuse our policies and guidelines. We need to see what the photographer intended and to observe who is doing what to whom and to analyze critical commentary on the image and decide if it is in parity with what we see. These are not "worries", this is how we use images appropriately. Additionally, there is no evidence that there are any free images for use. You need to stop claiming that there "might be". If you have evidence that there is a free replacement, provide it, otherwise we will assume that there isn't one. We don't automatically assume that one exists when we have already looked and can't find one. There is nothing false about the stated historical importance of this image as the rationale is directly supported by the sources which assert its historical significance, including The New York Times, The San Jose Mercury News, The San Francisco Chronicle, and The Washington Post, as well as dozens of other notable, reliable sources that assert historical significance. Therefore, the non-free rationale is true and fully supported. Viriditas (talk) 01:25, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment/question/suggestion: The use in this article of a (conventionally) copyright image of this policeman spraying protesters seems fair. But which image? Viriditas says above: The current rationale is fine and the sources have made it clear that this is a unique historic image directly associated with Occupy UC Davis. In fact, the UCD protest has become known as a result of this image, and the sources say that. It is not assumed that there are commons compatible images available, and previous discussion on this subject has addressed this point. This surprises me. The "mental image" of this particular cop calmly spraying protesters with a bright orange fluid is a strong one. But which actual image should one use? Take a look at this blackly humorous Tumblr. The image that's overwhelmingly popular there is not this one but instead one of the cop walking toward the camera, sole of one shoe raised, one arm holding the spray to his side. Would that image (of course presumably copyright too) not be better here? -- Hoary (talk) 06:55, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Photographer Wayne Tilcock of the The Davis Enterprise released several images through the Enterprise, many of which were later carried by wire services such as AP. Concurrently, amateur and citizen journalists on the scene also released copyrighted photographs, two of which were used as photoshop memes. One popular version was taken by Louise Macabitas. Thomas Fowler recorded cell phone video of the incident and published it on YouTube. Some media outlets appear to have attributed Macabitas' work to Fowler. Viriditas (talk) 07:55, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thank you, Viriditas: the photographer's name (which I hadn't known) is wonderfully easy to google. See this article, from which I quote: In just three days, the photo has become one of the year's largest memes, according to Brad Kim, editor of the Know Your Meme blog, which has tracked more than 1,000 versions of the photo. / Why this photo, out of the many posted online of the event? The article answers this (or tries to), and it ends: [Macabitas is] glad her photo has helped tell the story of what happened that day, even if it's spread that tale to a far wider audience than she expected. / "[...]I just wanted my friends to see what was really going on. I had no idea it would spread across the whole Internet, but I'm glad it has." ¶ The photographer (or "author", in copyrightspeak) is "Louise Macabitas, 22, a psychobiology major at UC Davis". I think it's likely that if there's one "iconic" image, it's this one. (NB I'm a newcomer to this; I claim no expertise.) And the photographer seems happy for it to be disseminated. Good. A bit more (inexpert?) googling by me doesn't bring her website or any way to contact her, but doesn't somebody here know somebody who knows her and can ask her please please please (and please write to OTRS)? -- Hoary (talk) 08:29, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Keep (at its reduced resolution). Historic photo; encyclopaedic requirement; current event. Reasons amply stated above. -The Gnome (talk) 10:28, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Keep (at its reduced resolution). The video of this incident has become the iconic symbol of the Occupy movement. For WP to omit covering the incident in visual form would look to contain a strong WP:POV element. The person who took that video, who by the way was not part of the movement or the protest at the time, has been identified in the media. Before removing this content, I suggest someone should reach out and try to contact this individual. Trackinfo (talk) 17:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (at reduced resolution) - arguments that "we can't tell this is historic after 1 week" seem completely specious to me. This picture is essential to the article and indeed iconic. The 351x250 resolution seems appropriate. Bosmon (talk) 23:09, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This image seems iconic and historic. If there is any doubt that this image is not iconic, take a look[5] at the internet meme that has sprung up around this image! SaltyBoatr^{get wet} 15:19, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can see in WP:NFCC, "If the image is meme'd by a bunch of /b/-tards" is not a valid criteria to use a copyrighted image in the project. Tarc (talk) 18:36, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestion. The /b/-tards notwithstanding, I'd like to make a suggestion to the editors arguing for keep. (Believe me, on content grounds, I'd like to keep it too, but we are dealing here with non-free content.) Take a look at WP:ITSHISTORIC, and then look at the page about Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima. If there is sufficient sourcing for a page about the photograph itself, the image can surely be kept for that page. I'm not saying that there is sufficient sourcing, but perhaps there might be. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:33, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm inclined to agree, but the current page is acceptable for the moment. However, I think a separate page is needed per your suggestion. Viriditas (talk) 02:56, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now, but actively pursue attempts to obtain a free-licensed image of the same incident from one of the many other people with cameras who were present. *Dan T.* (talk) 02:45, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment is actually more of a reason to delete. If you read the policy and guidelines and foundations statement about non free picture usage you will find that, keep until we find a commons licensed one is not written in, or supported in, any wikipedia guideline.Youreallycan (talk) 22:38, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is a current event that is both news worthy and potentially historic in nature. -- Phoenix (talk) 21:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment although well meant, has got nothing at all in it that is based in non free wikipedia policy or any wikipedia policy at all for that matter.Youreallycan (talk) 22:38, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to create a list of policies and pictures that are like this one but I noticed it was already done so I decided it was not needed. Since I have little time to respond I will only post one for you WP:ITSHISTORIC. This is something that is better graphically shown when talked about on the article itself until a free alternative is found. -- Phoenix (talk) 16:44, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - most of the comments above seem to miss the difference between an historic moment and an historic image. Perhaps the moment will someday be judged "historic" - who knows? I'm personally kind of doubtful, as some college students getting a dose of pepper spray seems pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, and I would be surprised to learn any reliable source is still talking about it now that the news cycle has moved on. However, to be a historic image, there needs to be notable commentary on the image itself. I haven't seen any evidence of that. Even assertions and links stating the work has been widely parodied seem to show that it was some other image by some other photographer that was used as a basis for parodies. Kelly ^hi! 22:35, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. You have only to search you-tube and Google pics to see how many many people have pictures and videos of this Occupy protect that they own and that they can freely donate. This non free pictures continuing existence in the article is detrimental to one of those thousands of pictures being offered for use with a commons compatible licence . Youreallycan (talk) 22:53, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

comment: if you want wikipedia to get left behind, go head and delete stuff like this. Any real news source has this image. If wikipedia engages in a 'media blackout' for whatever reason, we look really really dumb. like not having any pics of tank man in tianmmanen square dumb. ur policy is complicated? figure it out. the pic needs to stay unless a judge or a copyright lawyer says otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomcommenter (talk • contribs) 03:41, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
keep the photo certainly adds to my understanding of this historic incident, beyond what mere words can convey. i'm not doubtful of future history, (call is crystal if you will). the tendicious deleting of "non-free", undermines the fair use guideline. my only doubt is in the future of wikipedia. Slowking4⇔ †@1₭ 17:21, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
keep This is historic, it's been on the news almost every single night in the United States and has led to a lot of criticism of the use of pepper spray and police procedure. This and related photographs have also developed into a meme, that has been mentioned by major figures of television and media in the States, ranging from NPR to Jay Leno to NBC Nightly News. Moment/image/whatever - I support the keep of this. SarahStierch (talk) 21:04, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Extended comment. I read the essay "It's Historic" and I don't think much of it. essentially it's a list of reasons people might want to use images in articles along with pre-packaged curt dismissive responses. You need to reconsider what all these ItsHistoric comments mean: ***Wikipedia has a duty to cover this***, and if some policy you guys got together and made up without any knowledge of the law means is stopping you from covering it, it's a failure of Wikipedia the institution, not a failure of the editors.
To everyone who believes Wikipedia cannot use this image, I have a parallel question: This banner blares at me begging for money: We don’t run ads because doing so would sacrifice our independence. The site is not and should never be a propaganda tool. We just need your support with $5, €10, ¥1000 or whatever you can afford to keep this information coming to you. When you give to Wikipedia, you’re supporting free knowledge around the world.
But some people here say that Wikipedia's administration isn't up to the job of documenting historic, who should we be asking to do the job instead? With it's actions, Wikipedia is considering elevating Copyright Paranoia and Psychosis over its holy mission to provide information. If you are on the side that thinks Wikipedia should preference copyright profits at all costs over our journalistic duty, kindly answer me this:
IF WIKIPEDIA DOESN'T WANT MY EDITS OR MY MONEY TO DOCUMENT HISTORIC EVENTS to the fullest extent of the law, who should the rest of us be donating our time and money to? ITSHISTORIC may not matter in your weird world of inside baseball policyspeak-- but to the rest of us, it's a big fucking deal-- We have an obligation to cover historic events to the fullest extent of copyright law. Is Wikipedia _IN_ or are you OUT? And if you are out, admit it instead of taking our money pretending to be something you're not. RandomCommenter

Keep in lieu of being able to find a free image of that exact moment. Normally we don't use press/wire images as described by the original proposer, but when the images themselves are subject of discussion within the article (this would be the case here, since that image has been firmly attached to those protests, as well as becoming a meme) then it is ok to use the image, particularly since its capturing a very short term event and not something that can be recreated for free media (much like File:Kent State massacre.jpg at Kent State shootings). This is the type of exception we allow for NFCC#2. Now, editors of that page should be aware that we all see hundreds of other cameras around, and as suggested, it might just be possible to get a free replacement of that same moment - but we can't be assured of that, unlike, say, getting a free image of a public figure at any time; if a free version comes to light, this must be immediately replaced with that one. But until then, this image should be ok per NFCC. --MASEM (t) 14:32, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I think this discussion on this particular issue has raised some bigger questions about whether we're handling image and image policy correctly other cases. That is-- is it okay to delete legally-included images that improve an article simply because they aren't free-license? a small but dedicated group of users seems to think the answer should be yes.

I invite everyone to join the discussion to help revise the guidelines about this. As many eyes as possible welcome, of course. Wikipedia talk:Non-free content. Randomcommenter (talk) 22:11, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned userphoto. Kelly ^hi! 23:43, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:02, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned logo. Kelly ^hi! 23:44, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned File, Unencyclopaedic, no use to keep Ronhjones ^(Talk) 23:47, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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OR, UE. Kelly ^hi! 23:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:02, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

orphaned userphoto. Kelly ^hi! 23:59, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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