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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. NACADEMIC explicitly suggests it is an alternative to GNG - however it still requires verifiable evidence. Several editors have commented, to varying degrees, that Ansari, might be notable under NACADEMIC but none have attempted to show this with verifiable evidence. As such the consensus of those editors suggesting Ansari is not notable holds. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:22, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Zoe Ansari

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Not seeing any notability. Slatersteven (talk) 14:33, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:36, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:36, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This Article on Zoe Ansari, is an important addition to Wikipedia. I will highly appreciate if you give me some time to complete this article. This article should not be deleted. Kindly read the Progressive Writer's movement page. His name was already there but no page linking to it. He was a great writer and translator. It is because of him the south Asian community got a better introduction with Russian literature and Literary criticism. Thanks in anticipation. Khadem Hussain, India. (talk) 14:42, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We need some RS saying all this, I found none.Slatersteven (talk) 14:45, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't understand. Kindly elaborate. What's RS? Khadem Hussain, India. (talk) 14:48, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

reliable sources, please read wp:rs. Also wp:n should be read.Slatersteven (talk) 14:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have found one source, an article in Pakistaniaat: A Journal of Pakistan Studies, which compares Ansari's translation of Russian texts with another Urdu translation. There are some other English language sources which have some information about him or his work. I think there are likely to be more sources about him in Urdu, though. Some of the references in the Urdu Wikipedia article might be useful (though the first, although published in a reliable source, is an obituary/reflection on his death by someone who knew him well, and probably doesn't meet WP:RS requirements). Perhaps there are other obituaries, however, and certainly there are more sources than are currently in the article. RebeccaGreen (talk) 17:51, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 15:46, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Do not Delete. The article definitely needs rigorous work, but it does not deserve to be deleted. I am trying to find out details of his PhD as well. I have just added a line about his contribution to the study of an Indian-Persian Poet. Zoe Ansari is a figure, who is overlooked despite his encyclopaedic contributions. Instead of a discussion on deletion, there should a discussion on improving this article. Thanks to all you senior editors. Khademhussain (talk) 15:47, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You say it yourself, he has been overlooked, we have articles on people who have not been overlooked.Slatersteven (talk) 17:58, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that shouldn't be the spirit. Genuine scholars should be remembered. Here is a link to the british library's entry of his Urdu-Russian Dictionary, which he edited. http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/display.do?tabs=moreTab&ct=display&fn=search&doc=BLL01001986729&indx=8&recIds=BLL01001986729&recIdxs=7&elementId=7&renderMode=poppedOut&displayMode=full&frbrVersion=&frbg=&&dscnt=0&scp.scps=scope%3A%28BLCONTENT%29&vl(2084770704UI0)=any&tb=t&vid=BLVU1&mode=Basic&srt=rank&tab=local_tab&dum=true&vl(freeText0)=Zoe%20Ansari&dstmp=1572286009351. Khademhussain (talk) 18:10, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure what you think this proves.Slatersteven (talk) 18:18, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What I mean is. Simply producing a small biographical account on here, wouldn't hurt. It will be beneficial to those who are researches and students of both Urdu and Russian literature or comparative literature or world literature. Plus, his urdu page already exists, so I see no reason, to delete this, small account. (to be improved of course)Khademhussain (talk) 18:25, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Its called policy, to be precise wp:n.Slatersteven (talk) 18:36, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What is your opinion on this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raaz_Lyallpuri Khademhussain (talk) 18:47, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not an RS.Slatersteven (talk) 19:04, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that, I read wp:rs. I have since then updated the article and added various RS. The link I sent above is of an urdu poet who's page is on Wikipedia and he has no notability. That page should be deleted.Khademhussain (talk) 19:16, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, but that is irrelevant here.Slatersteven (talk) 19:21, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely, agreed. What do you think of the Zoe Ansari added references now?Khademhussain (talk) 19:26, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In reverse order
A WIND OF CHANGE, cannot check.
"The Debate on Amir Khusrau's "Inventions" in Hindustani Music", Journal of the Indian Musicological Society cannot check.
Music and Society in North India: From the Mughals to the Mutiny. cannot check
But as they are not about him, and you give the full article page numbers (and in one case the fist page does not mention him) I cannot help but wonder of these are all just passing mentions.
http://nyazamana.com is a review, so might be OK, but I see no byline by anyone whose view might be notable, and may be a comments page.
Youtube is not an RS.
Can you link to two in depth RS about him here on the AFD?Slatersteven (talk) 09:56, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I am finding a lot of academic peer reviewed journal articles, doctoral theses, and academic books that cite Zoe Ansari. I am not finding any sources about Zoe Ansari. The number of publications citing the author though make me wonder if he might pass WP:NACADEMIC.4meter4 (talk) 22:40, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I just did a cursory search through Google Books. This writer is mentioned many times in scholarly texts related to the literature and politics of South Asia. This article definitely needs to be re-worked, preferably by an expert on the subject.Lovelylinda1980 (talk) 22:10, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: here's a source assess table:
Source assessment table
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
No WP:SPS ✘ No
No WP:SPS ✘ No
Yes WP:AGF, no apparent affiliation No It says "this list was taken from Wikipedia" No Passing mention in a list ✘ No
No WP:SPS ✘ No
No WP:SPS ✘ No
Yes Yes No Passing mention in a list ✘ No
No Passing mention in a list ✘ No
Yes No Sharma is the main point of coverage, a short paragraph details his interaction with Ansari. ✘ No
No WP:SPS ✘ No
No Bibliography entry ✘ No
No Recording of subject's speech with no context as to where or the occasion Yes It's his speech, so yes ✘ No
Yes No Single entry on bibliography page is not significant coverage ✘ No
Yes No Single short quote, mentioned once, does not constitute significant coverage ✘ No
Error: a source must be specified ? Unknown
Yes WP:AGF, no apparent affiliation. No Appears to be a blog post, not a major reviewed publication. Yes Appears to review one of his books. ✘ No
Yes Single paragraph on eleventh page. ? Unknown
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
I'll fill in sources 12 to 16 in a bit, more research is needed. But so far the subject doesn't meet WP:PROF, WP:BIO or WP:GNG due to a lack of significant coverage in independent reliable sources. SITH (talk) 12:17, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Edit: all of the sources I can access have been put in the table. Still not seeing the significant coverage required to be considered notable. SITH (talk) 12:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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