Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yucef Merhi
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. John254 00:23, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yucef Merhi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
Non notoriety of the person per WP:N and WP:BIO Caracas1830 (talk) 05:57, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep per reviews of his work in reliable sources. Article needs clean-up, not deletion. TravellingCari 15:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Those articles hardly add to "significant coverage" or make a case for his notoriety. All articles, except one, mention that one of his works is exhibited here or there with a one-line description or using just a few words, which is the case of hundred of thousands, not to say millions, of artists around the globe. The only article dedicated only to him [1] from the "OC Register" is not enough to consider him notorious.Caracas1830 (talk) 16:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment he has exhibited at major museums, all already included in the article. Artists that are no one don't exhibit at these places. You don't have to be "notorious", just received coverage in reliable sources, which he has. TravellingCari 16:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Cari, I am reluctant to even question your assessments in this field, but were any of these solo exhibitions, or did he merely have a single work in a group show? Were any of the reviews substantial? (And are the Orange County Register's reviews reliable for notability?DGG (talk) 17:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Feel free to disagree, I may end up being proven wrong here. This one was on my watchlist from one wikilink so I can't claim extensive knowledge, though I am familiar with the artist's work as I saw it at the Bronx Museum of Art. He did a four month solo show at the Orange County Museum of Art, see here for information on it as well as info from the museum related to the exhibit. He's definitely not a traditional artist, though I don't believe he is completely non-notable. One of his major works has gotten some coverage as well. We're not talking caliber of a Met exhibitor here, but I think he's been recognized. I'd say the OC Register's are a reliable source to cover what's going on there since they're an independent publication and not connected with the museum, but that's based on my perception. I don't see them listed anywhere here as not being a RS. Thoughts? TravellingCari 17:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, I don't see how one solo show at the Orange County Museum of Art could make him a notable artist. There are additional concerns with regard to another requirement for notability, which is "depth of coverage". Even if one of his works, called "Super Atari Poetry", got some coverage from internet sites, it is limited to brief descriptions of the work. No real reviews or word on the meaning, influence, relation to a movement or other works...(Caracas1830 (talk) 03:37, 19 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]
- Ok, one of the articles on "Super Atari Poetry" is more on the lines of a real review [2]. However, it is just 166 words long. Still not having real "depth of coverage". (Caracas1830 (talk) 03:46, 19 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]
- There is more, I'm not going to have time to get back to this until Tuesday, most likely, as I'm packing and moving. He doesn't have only one solo show. David asked me if he had any solo shows, I found the one that I was able to clearly ID as solo and mentioned it with the limited time I'm working on. I'll put it this way, I know he's likely notable and if my time contraints keep this from being kept, I'll userfy and then re-submit. I think if you, or other editors, looked a bit more you'd find the same info I'm finding. Yes, I know the onus of work is on those who want it kept, but I think this information is here. Back to packing and awaiting bed delivery. TravellingCari 13:12, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, one of the articles on "Super Atari Poetry" is more on the lines of a real review [2]. However, it is just 166 words long. Still not having real "depth of coverage". (Caracas1830 (talk) 03:46, 19 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]
- Sorry, I don't see how one solo show at the Orange County Museum of Art could make him a notable artist. There are additional concerns with regard to another requirement for notability, which is "depth of coverage". Even if one of his works, called "Super Atari Poetry", got some coverage from internet sites, it is limited to brief descriptions of the work. No real reviews or word on the meaning, influence, relation to a movement or other works...(Caracas1830 (talk) 03:37, 19 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]
- Feel free to disagree, I may end up being proven wrong here. This one was on my watchlist from one wikilink so I can't claim extensive knowledge, though I am familiar with the artist's work as I saw it at the Bronx Museum of Art. He did a four month solo show at the Orange County Museum of Art, see here for information on it as well as info from the museum related to the exhibit. He's definitely not a traditional artist, though I don't believe he is completely non-notable. One of his major works has gotten some coverage as well. We're not talking caliber of a Met exhibitor here, but I think he's been recognized. I'd say the OC Register's are a reliable source to cover what's going on there since they're an independent publication and not connected with the museum, but that's based on my perception. I don't see them listed anywhere here as not being a RS. Thoughts? TravellingCari 17:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Cari, I am reluctant to even question your assessments in this field, but were any of these solo exhibitions, or did he merely have a single work in a group show? Were any of the reviews substantial? (And are the Orange County Register's reviews reliable for notability?DGG (talk) 17:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment he has exhibited at major museums, all already included in the article. Artists that are no one don't exhibit at these places. You don't have to be "notorious", just received coverage in reliable sources, which he has. TravellingCari 16:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletions. – David Eppstein (talk) 07:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep work in the collection of the Orange County Museum of Art: [3]. That's good enough for me. Plus, he's appeared in some group shows reviewed for the The New York Times: [4], [5].--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 17:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Please be more specific and explain with arguments how being part of a group exhibition and having just a few words on a an article and having one exhibition at the Orange county museum is enough to be a notable artist.(Caracas1830 (talk) 02:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]
- He has a work in the permanent collection of a museum. He's had a solo show in the same museum. He's participated in museum group shows from New York to Caracas. He is clearly a museum-standard contemporary artist.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 12:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:CREATIVE does not mention "museum-standard artist" but it does states "represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums". I'm afraid that one piece at the Orange County Museum is not enough.(Caracas1830 (talk) 17:33, 21 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]
- He has a work in the permanent collection of a museum. He's had a solo show in the same museum. He's participated in museum group shows from New York to Caracas. He is clearly a museum-standard contemporary artist.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 12:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep meets WP:CREATIVE per Trav & Ethico. Johnbod (talk) 20:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. In which way does he meet WP:CREATIVE? PLease be specific and note the word significant, because he does not seem to meet any of the four requirements. 1)The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors. 2)The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique. 3)The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, which has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. 4)The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries. (Caracas1830 (talk) 02:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]
- Art Basel Miami Beach is a significant exhibition. I don't know about Bienal de São Paulo-Valencia. There are press mentions from the NYT (several), LAT, Miami Herald, El Nacional & other Venezuelan papers, Art in America. Johnbod (talk) 02:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- His work was not a "substantial part" of those exhibitions. He had one piece among many. The press mentions do not give "depth of coverage", they barely mention his work (using 20 words or less). This is not enough to consider him a notable artist according to WP:N.(Caracas1830 (talk) 17:33, 21 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.