Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Welcome to Bucketheadland

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Giant Robot (album). History is intact for merging of material if desired Fritzpoll (talk) 12:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Bucketheadland

No real reason given for notability. didn't chart or win an award. references give no indication of notability and are not significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Duffbeerforme (talk) 04:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:~~

Redirect "Welcome to Bucketheadland", "Spokes for the Wheel of Torment", "Botnus", and "Three Fingers" back to the respective album articles. Jordan I feel has independent notability due to its involvement with Guitar Hero II and possibly a mention on South Park. You really, really should reconsider a single AFD and I would consider removing the others and separating them if you can. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:18, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also suggesting separating those because they are different cases.--Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 13:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Welcome to Bucketheadland into Giant Robot (album). Speedy Keep of Jordan (song), the other three ~~have independent afds~~ consider independently of this afd, if at all. Spinach Monster (talk) 15:38, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge all into Giant Robot (album). hornoir (talk) 19:13, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but you know that only one of the five tracks is off Giant Robot?--Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 19:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The confusion isn't surprising considering the omnibus afd. Let's separate the songs ASAP and focus just on "Welcome" for this afd. Spinach Monster (talk) 00:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the nominating user seems only to be around once a week([1]), so we can't expect much help from him...--Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 03:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't be so sure. :) Spinach Monster (talk) 16:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops. I just went to the pages to see how much information there was. I didn't pay attention to what album each came from. Apologies for the confusion. hornoir (talk) 13:53, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You say you discuss at AfDs without looking at the nominated articles first?--Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 05:54, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on "Welcome to Bucketheadland": The song is a (if not the) signature song of guitarist Buckethead (former member of Guns N' Roses). It opens his first two solo albums, Bucketheadland (1992, under the name of "Park Theme", see [2]) and Giant Robot (1994, featuring drums by Jerome Brailey) and has been played at about every concert since the early 1990s to e.g. last year's Wakarusa festival where it was played as the last encore (see [3]). A quick Google search brings up more than 16,000 hits and still about 12,000 if you add "Buckethead" to the search string. That's mainly because the song is a fan favourite (no good source here, but you may see this for at least a tendency. Note that "Jordan" is even placed higher on this list, plus the presence of other nominated tracks). There's of course no doubt that the article is in bad shape and that there's lots of work to be done. Therefore it has been tagged as "needing immediate attention" even before this AfD.--Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 19:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Due to some of the above comments I am unbundling the extra articles and creating individual afds Duffbeerforme (talk) 05:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. —--Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 19:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Someone may be canvasing [4] Duffbeerforme (talk) 14:41, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You may take this to WP:ANI then, this is not the right place.--Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 05:53, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - This is the right place, it gives relevant information to the closing admin. Duffbeerforme (talk) 02:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - You can't be too serious then. BTW: Did you inform all article creators and main contributors of the ten AfDs? (see your talkpage: [5])--Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 05:16, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 05:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as several new sources have been found since nomination.--Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 08:17, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment None of the new sources have non-trivial coverage of the song. Duffbeerforme (talk) 02:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if this is just "trivial" coverage of a "non-notable" song we have to nominate and delete dozens of stub articles, e.g. "Beaucoups of Blues", "A Beginning", "Life Begins at 40", "Arrow Through Me", "Watching Rainbows" and "Nod Your Head" too - right? I guess it's the name of the artist that makes the difference... --Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 17:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Come on, you know better than to go with~~ Other stuff exists ~~argument~~. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's just a point to a) how easy it is to go to a category and pick some or all songs of a certain artist b) the double standard on Wikipedia regarding artist names - I guess none of the above mentioned articles would be deleted if nominated, even if the content didn't change a bit. But c) they wouldn't be nominated in the first place --Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 02:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You'll never know if you don't nominate them. =) I mean I never thought I would see most of the fancruft here eliminated but it eventually happened. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why should I nominate 50 or 60 songs by The Beatles and Pink Floyd that all offer less than the 10 Buckethead articles? To annoy their WikiProjects? Again, I'm not that kind of asshole. Instead I will try to improve the Pink Floyd articles in the near future. And now stop stabbing in an open wound. Plus, close this ridiculous discussion. Delete, as people do not look at the article, or whatever reason you may come up with... --Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 04:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No it's not just about trivial coverage. There is also charting, awards and others that are not in this article. If there is not one of these reasons then you need significant coverage. Included in the examples you provided is a song that charted, one of the reasons for notability given in WP:MUSIC. Duffbeerforme (talk) 06:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge / redirect to Giant Robot (album). Not a single, not widely covered, and no other particular notability. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to the album. Stifle (talk) 20:17, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to album. --Sloane (talk) 23:46, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.