Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sultanate of Bale

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The result was keep‎. asilvering (talk) 03:45, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sultanate of Bale

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Fails WP:GNG There is little to no evidence that a Sultanate of Bale existed, as someone who has ancestry in the area. Most of the information of Bale refers to it as a province/territory of either Ethiopia or Adal with very little if any records of the supposed sultanate that predates them, should be redirected to a more well sourced duplicate article Bale (historical region). Socialwave597 (talk) 22:36, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History and Ethiopia. Shellwood (talk) 23:04, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - leaving aside the as someone who has ancestry in the area remark (WP:YANARS), it appears that the subject does in fact pass WP:GNG. This can be demonstrated on the basis of three sources:
- Prunier, Gérard; Ficque, Éloi (2015). Understanding Contemporary Ethiopia: Monarchy, Revolution and the Legacy of Meles Zenawi. Oxford University Press. p. 29. ISBN 9781849042611. does discuss the history of Bale, and mentions Sultanate of Bale as an Islamic state: In the course of this history, the Arsi group incorporated into its clan structure several pre-existing peoples who were under the authority of medieval Islamic states (in particular the Sultanate of Hadiya and the lesser known Sultanate of Bale).;
- Amenu, Teshome (2008). The rise and expansion of Islam in Bale of Ethiopia: Socio-cultural and political factors and inter-religious relations (Master of Philosophy in Religious Education thesis). Bergen: Norsk Lærerakadem. has a subchapter dedicated to "The Islamic Sultanate of Bale" (2.1);
- Østebø, Terje (2012). John Hunwick; Rüdiger Seesemann; Knut Vikør (eds.). Localising Salafism: Religious Change Among Oromo Muslims in Bale Ethiopia. Islam in Africa. Vol. 12. BRILL. ISBN 978-9004184787. likewise has a subchapter "The Sultanate of Bale" (3.3.1).
From this, coming back to WP:GNG - these sources are obviously independent of the subject, they are secondary sources, they are reliable, having subchapters dedicated to the subject gives enough significant coverage to write a Wikipedia article, and the existence of this article does not violate what Wikipedia is not. Brat Forelli🦊 22:11, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Brat Forelli has demonstrated notability. Srnec (talk) 20:00, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, agreed the "as someone who has ancestry" should be left aside. Reviewing the article on its own merit, the sources are varied and reliable and do establish WP:GNG is met. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:39, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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