Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simin Saberi

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The result was keep. Per no opposition to the ultimate keep !vote Lourdes 09:47, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Simin Saberi

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I can’t find any singifanct sources to gain enough coverage for the late Bahá'í Faith in Iran to make us doubt about the notability. Sheldybett (talk) 11:26, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Ruyaba (talk) 11:48, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Ruyaba (talk) 11:49, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect: I don't think there is enough here to meet the notability criteria. Certainly all the references in English just mention her in passing as one of the group executed. There is an article on Mona Mahmudnizhad, one of the other women, who there is more information about, so I would propose redirecting this article to there. Melcous (talk) 12:31, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
keep - This article is a direct translation from Wikipedia Farsi. Simin Saberi was a Baháí's right activist, and that makes her notable. She was captured and executed by the Iranian regime. MA Javadi (talk) 12:48, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@MA Javadi: - being a translation doesn't mean it can be retained. Different language wikipedias have very different rules about what are sufficient grounds to retain a person as a separate article. See Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions Nosebagbear (talk) 12:21, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect (target for discussion) - Melcous is correct reasoning that there isn't much sourcing on her - not enough to demonstrate GNG. Logically there should be an article on the incident and this should be part of that. I'm unsure on redirect target, though Mona's would be one logical target. Given the long list of changes made yesterday, this should be checked back in before the week is up. Nosebagbear(talk) 21:17, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
keep This article has been translated from Farsi. The Bahá’í community in Iran are under the systematic crackdown and this woman, Simin Saberi was one of the first victims in Iran.Nikoo.Amini (talk) 09:47, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Nikoo.Amini: - being a translation doesn't mean it can be retained. Different language wikipedias have very different rules about what are sufficient grounds to retain a person as a separate article. See Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions Nosebagbear (talk) 12:21, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

comment:This should be taken into account that due to severe repression in Iran those executed in the 80s their names could not reflect on the media. Therefore, this much publicity for Simin Saberi shows her notability. MA Javadi (talk) 22:13, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And while that argument has some, limited, validity (much like we'd expect less coverage for 15th century individuals) there is both secondary coverage on Mona Mahmudnizhad and it was usually created significantly after the fact, so it clearly was possible for those in this group. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:36, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Nosebagbear: Hi there – First, I'm glad to know you. Surely is clear that We are not in the 15th century. But unfortunately, the siege of repression in Iran is savagely intense. In 1988, the Iranian regime has executed more than 30,000 prisoners and buried them in mass graves, without being publicly announced. So there wasn't enough reflection in Iranian mass media coverage at that time. all the facts I could gathered are listed above. best regards - MA Javadi (talk) 21:25, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, DannyS712 (talk) 00:45, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

keep: I agree with the points made above that there is a good common-sense case for keeping an article on Simin Saberi (as well as creating an article on the 18 June 1983 Baha'i executions which might link to individual cases). English Wikipedia's notability criteria seem a rather blunt instrument in this case and I think English-speaking readers will be grateful that someone's gone to the trouble of translating this from Farsi. Besides, if we were going to be lawyerish about this (which I hope we wouldn't), I've found a reasonable amount of further detail on Saberi in good-quality sources in English, which I'll be happy to integrate into the article in due course, which put her on a similar footing to Mona Mahmudnizhad:
- Universal House of Justice, 'Persecution of the Bahá'í Community of Iran: 1983-1986', Bahá'í World, 19 (1983-1986), 176-226 (pp. 181-85).
- Iran Human Rights Documentation Center, 'Community Under Siege: The Ordeal of the Bahá’ís of Shiraz' (September 2007)
- Olya Roohizadegan, Olya's Story: A Survivor's Dramatic Account of the Persecution of Bahái̓ś in Revolutionary Iran (Oxford: Oneworld, 1993), ISBN 185168073X

Alarichall (talk) 14:50, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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