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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Nomination withdrawn, everyone (myself included) seems to be in agreement now. (non-admin closure) Rusf10 (talk) 03:55, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Schroeder (constructor)

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When I originally PRODed this it had no references, now there is only one source. That source while reliable, provides no in depth coverage of the subject. We don't even know that guy's first name. The subject does not pass WP:NMOTORSPORT #7 Designers or engineers who have been covered extensively by the media or motorsports historians. The Indianapolis 500 may be notable, but that notability is not transferred to a builder who we know nothing about. Rusf10 (talk) 02:14, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 02:14, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Motorsport-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 02:14, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 05:43, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep::Delete: This is on the basis that I AGF the nom. and prior !voters have performed a diligent BEFORE and searched available Indianapolis 500/Indy 500 books for information. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 05:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Persuaded to steer to !keep by [1]. Quality of BEFORE is open to question and failure to pre-tag existing article as commented below may be vexacious or incompetent or intended to disrupt the community but I need to AGF and assume it was not. Djm-leighpark (talk) 13:46, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - There is agreement (consensus) at WT:AOWR#PRODs of potential interest to editors that competing in the Indy 500 is notable; should also be noted that the 500 was part of the FIA World Championship at the time. Eagleash (talk) 06:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or move to draft space - Users at WT:AOWR were discussing these articles and the consensus seems to be that their subjects are most likely notable. Sourcing information about these constructors from 70 years ago during a pandemic is difficult as much of it is unavailable online so giving interested editors more time to compile any sources that may be available would be prudent. The lack of development of these articles is probably not helped by the fact that they've been mislabelled as falling under the banner of WP:F1 and not WP:AOWR. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Just for clarity's sake, this particular article has both project tags at the talk page (as the others should do). It is not a 'mislabelling' as the Indy 500 formed part of the F1 World Championship at the time. Eagleash (talk) 11:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • The AOWR project tag was added earlier today and I didn't notice its addition in the time between when I last checked the talk page and the time when I posted my comment. Regardless the point stands that this is one of a group of articles which for a long time were not tagged as being under the purview of the primary Wikiproject for their subject area, which may have led to them flying under the radar in terms of being developed by interested editors. I notice that since I posted my initial comment a couple of sources have been added to the article, presumably because this AFD has drawn attention to the article. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • The item was created by a prolific and prominent member of the F1 project as part of that initiative. As the AOWR project was barely in existence at the time it may not have been considered. It is debatable which may be considered the primary project as the constructor seems only to have run in the FIA World Champ. It is good that 'things' have been added to the page – as is frequently the case with AfD, sometimes rendering the nomination moot. Eagleash (talk) 13:19, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • Perhaps "mislabelled" was the wrong wording; to be clear I'm not trying to make any accusations towards any editors involved here of incompetence or negligence or attempts at disruption. I am merely highlighting that articles concerning 1950s Indy 500s are ultimately going to be far more relevant to WP:AOWR than WP:F1. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 13:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep. Thanks to Djm-leighpark discovery of a source showing the topic's first name, I was able to do a search where I found more coverage of him, as well as this. Not the greatest amount of coverage in the world, but far better than I expected. 👨x🐱 (talk) 16:46, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Chassis constructors for the Indy 500 are almost universally considered notable by WP:AOWR. -Drdisque (talk) 18:02, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I withdraw my support for deletion. It seems that sources have been found. The reason I had such a hard time finding them was because the subject's full name was unknown. I also support renaming the article Gordon Schroeder. Please note that I cannot close the discussion as nomination withdrawn because there is another delete vote.--Rusf10 (talk) 03:10, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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