Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam Yasgur

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The result was speedy keep as withdrawn by nominator. lifebaka++ 00:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Yasgur

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~~doesn't meet notability criteria for biographies.~~ Nomination withdrawn (see below). JohnnyB256 (talk) 21:47, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I just located Sam Yasgur's website, and in it he says as follows, "Sam's consultations with his father played a crucial role in the events leading to the Woodstock Festival." [1] While the language is a bit ambiguous, in light of this, as promised, I'm withdrawing this AfD nomination.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 22:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per my nomination. Sam is the son of Max Yasgur, famous for allowing his farm to be the site of the Woodstock Festival in 1969. This article was created some years ago by an IP, on the basis of Sam supposedly talking his father into allowing the festival to take place on his farm. However, the sourcing for the article did not substantiate that, so I removed this dubious assertion a few days ago. If it was not accurate, as apparently was the case, it was one of the longest running hoaxes in Wiki history. If it is true, and if it can be sourced, I'd be happy to withdraw this nomination. Otherwise I just don't think that Sam Yasgur, while prominent in Sullivan County, meets the notability criteria for biographies.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 21:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC) see above[reply]
Keep - I understand the reasoning behind the nomination, notability is not inherited (which I assume is the main reason for the deletion request), but feel Mr. Yasgur has gained notability on his own, though riding on his father's coat tails. As shown here [2] Mr. Yasgur has gardnered quite a few references, in his own name. I releaze that many are in relationship to his father and his fathers involment in Woodstock. However, quite a few also talk about Sam's participation in the event itself and the events leading up to the concert. Likewise, on the backside of the refrences, you will note that Mr. Yasgur has gained notority as an attormey. Put the two together, and I believe he meets our criteria for inclusion here at Wikipedia. Thanks. ShoesssS ^Talk 22:05, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PS I did find a source to the claim you alluded to in Maxes: Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases‎ - Page 136 As shown here [3]. Hope this helps. ShoesssS ^Talk 22:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PSST! Those Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases‎ books are printed compilations of snippets of Wikipedia articles. Notice the "[WP]" at the end of the entry? Deor (talk) 23:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are absolutely right! How about this one [4] or this one [5] or this one [6] or maybe this one [7] maybe these are more palatable to everyone's though process. Thanks ShoesssS ^Talk

I'd like to see something to substantiate the bald assertion that he persuaded his father. It may be an urban legend. If he did, I'd think that he'd be reminiscing to that effect in all the voluminous recent coverage, but he hasn't. A quote from Sam Yagur himself would satisfy me, but I haven't found one.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 23:20, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa there - if you agree, as in your own words "... voluminous recent coverage". Why would you than bring to AFD? Thanks ShoesssS ^Talk 23:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Voluminous coverage of Woodstock's 40th anniversary.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 00:57, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LOL - thanks for the explanation - I always had a tendency to take things to literal. ShoesssS ^Talk 01:01, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Shoessss' argument. $TheWeak$ $Willed$ (T * G) 22:20, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Plenty of mainstream coverage in his own right. Here's a source for the claim you deleted, don't know how reliable it is: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/13/766020/-Back-to-the-Garden:-Remembering-Woodstock,-40-Years-Later Little Professor (talk) 22:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"It was so rainy that summer, we couldn’t get the crops in," Sam Yasgur told the newspaper. And having been denied permission to hold the festival in Walkill, Lang and his partners were scrambling to find another site. Besides, Sam loved rock and roll. And so Sam lobbied his father to rent their alfalfa field for the concert. Max Yasgur ultimately agreed, seeing an opportunity to tide the farm over financially.

The accounts of Woodstock that I have read make no mention of Sam Yasgur persuading his father, and neither has this been mentioned in the 40th anniversary coverage. Here's a report of a lecture by Sam Yasgur recently[8]. Nothing about persuading his father.

Keep in mind that Sam Yasgur was a grown man, a prosecutor in New York City at the time of the Festival, not a kid living at home. The article until a few minutes ago gave the opposite impression. I don't believe that Sam being mentioned in the press 40 years later as a proxy for his father in some places is sufficient upon which to hang notability. A single quote from Yasgur claiming he talked his father into taking the festival to Bethel would be sufficient, but we don't have even that. If he did it, why is it that we don't have Sam saying, "I said, 'Dad, it would be groovy'" or something to that effect?--JohnnyB256 (talk) 12:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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