Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robin Simon

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The result was Keep. Synergy 11:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Robin Simon

Fails WP:BLP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quicksilverriding (talk • contribs)

Keep as creator. I know my vote probably doesn't count, but he was in Magazine and Ultravox, which gives WP:Notability. I have added the reference I got it from, which ensures WP:Verifiability. No issues with WP:NPOV and WP:OR, so can you please tell me HOW it fails WP:BLP? Thanks, ®∂бЯέЩ§τЄґ ♪♫♪ 07:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Member of two notable bands. Passes WP:MUSIC guidelines.--T B C ♣§♠ (aka Tree Biting Conspiracy) 08:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~DeleteNeutral~~Keep (but for now) only reference given is another encyclopedia of music. Personally, I'd like to see more before including it here. Get more? Sure, I'll change my stance.--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment better, changed to neutral. Would like to see more "reliable" sources -- check reliable source for more detail. Still, looks like it could bloom into a nice article.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Added 4 more sources. Look at the article to see.®∂бЯέЩ§τЄґ♪♫♪ 13:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment New sources look great, thank you!--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Nom is a well-intentioned new account. While WP:BLP applies to all biographies, I think you'll find that we generally don't use it as a deletion rationale in cases where there is no negative or controversial information present. Notability has not been been put at issue, but as mentioned above, subject is presumed notable under WP:MUSIC on the strength of having been in two notable bands, even before the other references are considered. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 14:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Xymmax. BLP isn't a reason to delete this article. Maxa megalon 2000 19:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I expect the nominator means WP:BIO rather than WP:BLP. I've added an inline citation from my 'The Essential Rock Discography', which verifies that Simon was both a member of Ultravox! (note the exclamation mark; they dropped it in 1978/79 and became plain old Ultravox) and Magazine, thus meeting the WP:MUSIC guideline, "Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article." More citations and expansion of the article would be good though; google books[1][2][3] throws up some suggestions for sources. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 07:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Bear in mind, Malcolmxl5, that I recently added that guideline as a result of many deletion discussion outcomes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdbrewster (talk • contribs) 07:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I don't think that's a problem. Even without that particular guideline, that Robin Simon is noted in a dozen or so books, some published decades after he was in Ultravox! and Magazine, and in other sources indicates to me that there are people who consider him worthy of notice, that he is notable. Certainly, there seems to be enough information in reliable sources to write a short, verifiable article. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 08:49, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Neutral~~.Keep I have expanded the article slightly and added a couple more sources, but while we can state without a shadow of a doubt that Simon exists and has played in at least two notable bands (albeit fairly briefly in Magazine), I'm not really convinced that several brief mentions justify an article - there's nothing I've seen which constitutes significant coverage.--Michig (talk) 09:21, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've found a few more sources - I think there's plenty to justify keeping this now.--Michig (talk) 10:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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