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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy Delete as WP:CSD#G4 by ComplexRational. (non-admin closure)‎ Nil🥝 01:52, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ReggaeEDM

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The article creator ReggaeLion high potienally created own article here which is highly discouraged per WP:COI. And not notable per WP:MUSICBIO. Hope we can agree to WP:SALT the article. ROY is WAR Talk! 00:35, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ROY is WAR,
I see that you flagged my post for deletion and called it AI slop. Firstly, my name is Luke Archer, and I would like to respond to some of your statements concerning this entry. I just used ZeroGPT as you did and checked the article and it said 27.9% AI, then I checked your lastest wiki article, Pagtatag!, and ZeroGPT said it was 24.3% written by AI. However, I am not going to go flag your post for removal, because that isn't the type of person I am. For over 25 years, I have been a reggae video producer and involved in the early rave scenes in both Los Angeles and San Francisco. Here is my IMDB link for verification: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3985448/. I have been following this new genre of music for over 5 years now, and authored this entry to document the evolving genre of music. I am both a huge fan of Lee Scratch Perry's work and the artist Kēvens, who I was first exposed to in 2006 when I was the music video channel provider for MSN Video and live streamed the Bob Marley Movement Festival on MSN (the first live streamed music festival.) If you follow the narratives and the articles written about ReggaeEDM from sources including People Magazine, Rolling Stone Magazine, The Source, the Jamaican Observer, and many others, you will see how this is a valid new genre of music, and that Lee Scratch Perry, Kēvens, Asain Dub Foundation, and Diplo have played pioneering roles in developing this new genre. You call this article is AI slop. While I respect your option, this is not true.
I wrote this entry and have the Google docs to prove it. I am a published author in the music space and have written recently about ReggaeEDM. None of the sources included om this article are AI generated slop, all sources and links are valid articles about either the artists featured in the entry, or are pertaining to the subject matter. Yes, AI is an important tool to assist in improving original works - the same way Microsoft word's "Check Spelling and Grammar" or Grammarly are. The tool specific tool that you used, ZeroGPT, is an AI tool itself. Check the same entry on Google's Gemini AI and it results: "It is highly unlikely that the entire Wikipedia page for ReggaeEDM was created by AI, although AI tools have been used to assist with parts of it. The most significant indicator that it was written by a human is extensive use of reliable sources, including specific magazine and radio network references, to build and cite the page's content."
I am unclear why you find this article in violation of Wikipedia's ethos as it was written with those guidelines guiding its authorship. I feel your input is biased and not rooted in the reality of how this entry was created, or the valuable information it contains. All of the artists mentioned reference ReggaeEDM in their own profiles. ReggaeEDM is an important genre that has been evolving since the 1990's. The genre is currently under consideration to be added to the Grammy's official musical genre. ReggaeEDM.com, People Magazine, Rollingstone Magazine, The Source, and the other references in this article have recognized the genre and document the artists contributing to its evolution.
Rather than delete this article, perhaps you could recognize the importance of the genre, and be proactive in revising the article to remove any undesired content which you find contrary to wikipedia.org's integrity and standards.
Kind Regards,
Luke Archer ReggaeLion (talk) 04:55, 7 September 2025 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: ReggaeLion (talk • contribs) appears to have a close connection with the subject of the article being discussed. [reply]
ReggaeLion "I ain't reading a lot". Some of them are primary source and just because you literally said have a source from Rolling Stone, People etc. doesn't mean established the significant coverage of the article. Yes, both them are reliable and independent, but you are clearly have an close connection with the subject, which is very discouraged to do it on Wikipedia. It undermines public confidence and risks causing public embarrassment to the individuals and companies being promoted. Editors with a COI are sometimes unaware of whether or how much it has influenced their editing. Even if it's established the notability, still you created a article that you have close connection on this subject. ROY is WAR Talk! 16:17, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Very obvious WP:COI violation. UnregisteredBiohazard talk to me 02:49, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Changing this to delete and salt. I suggest salting other related terms too (e.g. Reggae EDM, Reggae-EDM, etc.) UnregisteredBiohazard talk to me 23:19, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand the importance of neutrality and avoiding conflicts of interest. My intention here is not to promote, but to document a genre that has been covered by multiple reliable, primarily independent sources. The references provided include coverage from established publications such as Rolling Stone, People, Miami Herald, etc. And I want to point out that 'ReggaeEDM' and 'Reggae EDM' are the same thing, so when searching the articles, you are not doing your due diligence. These sources meet the standards of WP:RS and WP:GNG. ReggaeLion (talk) 16:41, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Your AI-generated WP:BLUDGEONING is not helping. UnregisteredBiohazard talk to me 18:01, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete. There's nothing to suggest that the term ReggaeEDM is widely used or recognised, let alone notable under WP:GNG. As discussed above, the sources cited don't even seem to use the term in general. Also, this has been deleted through AfD on similar grounds before, so it meets WP:G4 doesn't it? Dionysodorus (talk) 10:02, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, and just put a salt on the article. ROY is WAR Talk! 16:17, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    While the term ReggaeEDM may still be emerging, it has appeared in music journalism, scholarly articles, and interviews spanning over two decades. Coverage in this article was intentionally written independent of any self-promotion. I have no official role, business arrangement, or connection to the artists in this article. I work as a Creative Director for a Santa Barbara based marketing agency. I’d be happy to add or strengthen citations. The beauty of Wikipedia is that the public at large can contribute to articles. By establishing the genre officially, it provides a valuable context to what is developing internationally. ReggaeLion (talk) 16:51, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - worthless. Geschichte (talk) 13:23, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Not a single reggae industry person would agree with you on this opinion. No one in the industry are making these assertions. ReggaeLion (talk) 16:55, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete: per WP:G4. Sourcing is not reliable. Creator's WP:BLUDGEONING of this discussion is not helping. MidnightMayhem (talk) 17:41, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep- Reggae EDM is a genre that Veteran reggae artist since 1968 Enos Mcleod who is still living, still making music, and still putting out vinyl, ahs worked with Joe Gibbs, Gregory Isaacs and also gave Prince Fari the name Prince Fari, has taken into consideration as a genre and also something that he might even "want a piece of" as to say, it has potential for him to delve into and possibly try to do something with. I am Anthony Privitera, i work with Enos, i help Enos with his music, and i also am the one who will be possibly starting a ReggaeEDM project with him in the near future. 172.79.198.44 (talk) 19:29, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Long Keep- Those who are not in the music industry especially reggae, and who want to keep the word "reggae" out of anything other than what it was back in the 70's, are the same people who probably don't make music, know nothing about making music and/or if they do, they only wish that they were doing it on a professional tier and making a living from it. so when you put down something just because you haven't heard a lot about it or are not very familiar with it, then you come and trash talk on someone's page who is trying to make something positive happen. You are not only trying to kill someone's dream, but you are also quite possibly taking food off the table of the artists who are in it and thriving from it new or old. keeping the lights on and food on the table is hard enough as it is, but when it comes to music, especially from those who are in their 70's and see potential with something in order to try it out and keep their job seeing as how music is all they've known all their lives. You come and try to kill it before it even has a chance to jump off. Stick to your computer jobs and leave the musicians alone. And if you are a musician. Shame on you. For real, go find some BS page, vile content pushing BS to try to take down. And leave the music to the professionals. "No one in the industry are making these assertions" yeah well, they also arent "Talking Sh*t" about it either. So your points are mute, null and void DigiDigi1 (talk) 20:12, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Please stop using sockpuppets for this discussion. UnregisteredBiohazard talk to me 20:58, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - We've been through the possible motivations/connections of the article creator and their alleged use of AI. I shall attempt a vote on the supposed genre itself. It does not matter if Kēvens coined his own genre term to differentiate his own music -- that happens all the time from musicians looking for an angle. (Just look at how many apparent sub-genres end in "-core".) Many of the sources in the article are reliable in their own right but do not support "ReggaeEDM" as a new genre and typically describe reggae musicians who have simply added electronic music elements to their sound. Therefore this apparent genre is not new and influential, and can be considered part of the natural progression of reggae in modern times. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 23:28, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete – I've tagged it with G4 speedy delete. Article is WP:PROMO that should not have been recreated after its last AFD. Nil🥝 00:25, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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