Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ransack

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Further discussion on splitting/merging is encouraged. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 02:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ransack

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article is about multiple unrelated and minor fictional characters, please delete. NotARealWord (talk) 12:53, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, or if not add disambig to the 6 different pages that each character would redirect to. All minor villians in Transformers fiction is why they didn't get full pages. Mathewignash (talk) 13:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. We don't need a disambiguation page, this needs to be redirected to something of real world interest, like looting. That's far more encyclopedic, of more interest to almost anyone and much more likely to be the kind of article someone searching for "ransack" is looking for. J Milburn (talk) 15:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:35, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with J Milburn reasoning Delete the dictionary is a perfect example [1] Dwanyewest (talk) 20:14, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - notable character within the Transformers franchise, which appeared in the toyline, cartoon, comic books, and film. BOZ (talk) 23:02, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- Notable within the franchise does not equal notable in the real world. I'm not even sure if it is notable within Transformers. NotARealWord (talk) 16:16, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Split the article based along the different series, merge into their respective series character lists, and convert to a disambiguation page. —Farix (t | c) 22:47, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- When dealing with non-notable character articles, it is always preferable to look for a list or to create one to merge the article into, or merge/redirect them to the main article instead of outright deletion. Only in cases where the character is completely incidental should it be deleted. Also, how the page is currently organizes shows the folly of trying to cover more than one character from different series that happen to share the same name. —Farix (t | c) 17:51, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added source for notability - I just added a third party book source that should help establish notability for this character. Mathewignash (talk) 00:35, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Toy guides are not reliable sources, any more than a phone book would be to establish a living person's notability. Tarc (talk) 02:11, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Toy guides are reliable sources, please read WP:RS. Do they help establish notability? That's a different question. I would say if they provide detailed coverage, yes. Hobit (talk) 11:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No real-world notability asserted for a fictional character. Tarc (talk) 02:11, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Notability - Added another third party book mentioning Ransack to the references. Mathewignash (talk) 10:10, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - That book is a toy guide. If it doesn't say much about the subject of the article (Ransack), then it doesn't establish notability.Bali ultimate's argument on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Energon (power source) is about that kinda source that doesn't give much coverage to the subject. NotARealWord (talk) 19:52, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 01:14, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Split as Farix suggested DGG ( talk ) 02:11, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No reliable sources and fails GNG. Needs to be turned into a redirect to [looting]] or a similar subject. Skinny87 (talk) 13:59, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- Yeah, better redirect to looting or something, since the different Transformers characters are non-notable and unrelated to one another. If a redirect are to be made, they would have to be like "Ransack (Generation One)", "Ransack (Cybertron)", etc. Ransack proper, shjould redirect to something else. NotARealWord (talk) 18:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

weak keep or split sources are light, but existent. DGG's solution is probably the right thing to do, but I'm happy with either. Hobit (talk) 11:34, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.