Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R. C. Garrison

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The result was redirect to List of West Virginia Tech Golden Bears head football coaches. ✗plicit 12:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

R. C. Garrison

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No significant coverage about coach for a single season for a defunct NAIA team – fails WP:NCOLLATH. This statistical record duplicates the main article, List of West Virginia Tech Golden Bears head football coaches (so a redirect would be acceptable, though I'm not sure why even that list would be notable when there's not even coverage of the team itself, just West_Virginia_University_Institute_of_Technology#Athletics). Reywas92^Talk 03:05, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Reywas92^Talk 03:05, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think the nominator is confused. This article is about a American-style college football coach in 1922. THe NAIA did not exist in 1922 so there is no way that this coach could have been coaching a "defunct NAIA team" -- the NAIA's roots are in basketball in 1937, didn't officially form until 1940, and didn't provide football as a sport until 1956. Additionally, professional football was in its infancy, with the National Football League starting only two years earlier. Admittedly the article needs work, but the addition of sources are an editing issue, not a deletion issue. AFD is not cleanup.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:29, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- WOW you got me, checkmate! Okay, when he was coach it was a PRE-NAIA team! There is no automatic notability for football coaches, and the immaturity of the sport at the time makes it even less likely there's substantive coverage about him. This is in fact a deletion issue because he does not meet our notability standards, and there is not even an assertion in the article that he does. Reywas92^Talk 03:45, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - In 1922, College Football was in its 53rd year of play (having started in 1869), so the claim of "immaturity" falls flat. This was widely considered the highest level of the expression of the sport at its time on a national level. The "assertion of notability" (something that is not required for notability) is in the article.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:57, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Lololol thanks for the correction... now where's the part where there are significant sources establishing notability, not specious suggestions that being a coach during the "highest level of the expression" means he's exempt from that requirement? Reywas92^Talk 04:15, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - If you would be accurate in your deletion nomination, we wouldn't have to chase this rabbit. Would you like me to write one for you? How about: Subject fails WP:GNG, having only one source from what is considered a "permanently dead link" and no other sources are provided. There, that's clear and correct. And if those issues can't be addressed, the article should be deleted. Do I have to do everything here?--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:45, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. My initial searches did not turn up any SIGCOV. Searches hampered by the fact that Garrison is a common name, and we don't have his given name. Will hold off on taking a position for a couple days to see if others are able to dig up such coverage. Cbl62 (talk) 04:37, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- That's going to slow it down some.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:41, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I did some pretty thorough searches and came up completely empty. Not only did I not find SIGCOV, I didn't even find INSIGCOV. I'm leaning "delete" unless someone can pull a rabbit out of the hat. Cbl62 (talk) 04:48, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the main coaches article. I did not find much, but I see his wedding (I believe) here and his given name could possibly be Robert, per this on ancestry.com which shows a "Robert C. Garrison" from WV, but those do not show any notability. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:43, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of West Virginia Tech Golden Bears head football coaches. Per my comments above, I found no SIGCOV, and Beanie's reaching the same conclusion persuades me that I redirect makes the most sense. Cbl62 (talk) 16:17, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of West Virginia Tech Golden Bears head football coaches per Cbl62 & BeanieFan11. Ravenswing 18:10, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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