Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nintendo GameCube Preview Disc (2nd nomination)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus to delete. W.marsh 19:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Nintendo GameCube Preview Disc (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
It wasn't the full month I stated, but it's also been 21 days without a single edit since it was delisted. None of the problems have been fixed, and no one who voted keep even implied interest in improving the article. Will this change? Doubt it. A Link to the Past (talk) 03:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep, though there was no vested interest shown in its improvement, evidence suggests from the previous afd that people showed an interest in wanting it kept. Obviously not enough interest to improve it as yet, but by the same token, there's not supposed to be a deadline on getting things up to scratch (i.e. we don't know what's going on in the lives of those who voted for it to be kept and promised its improvement last time). Non-notable and unverified (and especially unverifiable) elements of an article ought to be removed, but I don't believe deletion is the way to resolve this issue. --lincalinca 10:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- There's been SUGGESTION of notability, and as someone who researches sales figures, you can't just "find" the sales figures for the demo disc. No one cares to find this evidence, and I've seen no evidence that they could if they even tried. - A Link to the Past (talk) 15:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I was a subscriber to EGM in 2003 and they would (and still do) print the Top 20 selling games every month (using data from NPD, the official sales tracking group for Canada and the United States). I will search through my collection and find the one for May 2003. I also have the exact sales numbers, but those came from a source that leaked the numbers (somebody who had access to NPD reports and got in trouble since he would make available at NeoGAF) and thus probably couldn't be used since reliable sites like IGN and GameSpot don't want to risk getting cut off by the NPD Group for posting leaked numbers (NPD charges thousand of dollars for these reports, so they don't want any numbers leaked and why NPD released some general numbers for the top 10). TJ Spyke 01:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- EGM stopped posting sales figures at a certain point, if I recall correctly. Additionally, they do count certain bundles among their sales, so we cannot say that those sales came from general interest - it's merely speculation. One source on the fact that it sold because of bundling is definitely not enough. Did it last past the ad campaign? No. It took a nose-dive almost immediately. The only thing that differentiates it from other demo discs is because GameCube demo discs were rare, and because Nintendo pushed it through the GameCube. Would a game be more notable if it was the only game released on a system? - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I was a subscriber to EGM in 2003 and they would (and still do) print the Top 20 selling games every month (using data from NPD, the official sales tracking group for Canada and the United States). I will search through my collection and find the one for May 2003. I also have the exact sales numbers, but those came from a source that leaked the numbers (somebody who had access to NPD reports and got in trouble since he would make available at NeoGAF) and thus probably couldn't be used since reliable sites like IGN and GameSpot don't want to risk getting cut off by the NPD Group for posting leaked numbers (NPD charges thousand of dollars for these reports, so they don't want any numbers leaked and why NPD released some general numbers for the top 10). TJ Spyke 01:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- There's been SUGGESTION of notability, and as someone who researches sales figures, you can't just "find" the sales figures for the demo disc. No one cares to find this evidence, and I've seen no evidence that they could if they even tried. - A Link to the Past (talk) 15:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, it is cited from IGN and appears accurate.--Cartman005 04:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If being acknowledged by IGN means you're notable, a lot of things that aren't are now notable. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: a link to the past, if you're going to argue your point at every suggestion to keep this article, you're not helping the flow of discussion. --lincalinca 07:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into GameCube. If it's the only demo disc ever released by Nintendo it's probably worthy of a mention there, but it's such a short article that there doesn't seem much point in it existing seperately, and there's a lack of sources proving notability anyway. Miremare 15:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into Gamecube. Same reason as above. 1yodsyo1 15:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1yodsyo1 (talk • contribs)
- Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. Miremare 15:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.