Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NX Files

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus to delete NX Files so default to keep; merge the individual character articles into either NX Files or a new article Characters of NX Files. Please coordinate the merger at Talk:NX Files. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-02-14 02:32Z

NX Files

Non notable, unsourced web broadcast 'TV' show. Also including the following characters from the show -

Nuttah68 14:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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delete as non-notable Lars T. 18:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It is not just Stargate that deserves our support. These start-ups also deserve a wikipedia entry. --Clausewitz01 10:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC) .[reply]

Edited to add from the Wikipedia policy on this subject: Before nominating an article for AFD, please:

first invite discussion on the talk page if you are at all unsure as to the article's worth. Just because you haven't heard of it, doesn't mean it's not notable! Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion#Deletion_process The nominator did not take this step. --Clausewitz01 03:37, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Newspaper Article "Une Serie de Combat Extreme produite a Ottawa connait du success sur Internet" Also described on: Internet Video Magazine --Clausewitz01 03:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep NX Files is an independently produced show out of Orleans, ON Canada. Since the release of it's first episode in November of 2005, it has been viewed in over 54 countries AND has released a Season 1 DVD which has been distributed in many countries including Canada, USA, Norway and Denmark. That being said, this show definitely deserves a wikipedia entry. --Sensei Krush 15:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC) .[reply]
Keep I saw a legit article in the Ottawa citizen and a short on CTV News, how is this a non-notable?? some people have nothing better to do but to try and stomp out the start-ups.--User:Chikote 15:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC) .[reply]
- — Chikote (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Keep The article for NX Files is based on its official website, which should certainly be considered a reliable source. It was largely written by one of the four creaters of NX Files itself, who can obviously be considered an expert on the subject in question, so it is again safe to assert that the content is reliable. The show itself has received attention from the media as well as many different nationalities and the creators' attitude is always very professionnal. NX Files certainly deserves its own Wikipedia article. --User:sun_03 15:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC) .[reply]
- — sun_03 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Keep I have worked on the project myself and know a great amount of people who watch it religiously. --User:Samuel Tetreault 15:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC) .[reply]
- — Samuel Tetreault (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
keep The NxFiles are internationally viewed in over 50 countries, has it's own websitewww.nxfiles.com and more importantly is an interactive/participatory medium related to martial arts that kids and adults in Ottawa/Orleans, Ontario can be part of. NX Martial Arts is a jiu-jitsu and kick boxing dojo where most the actors from the community train on a weekly basis. They actually released a DVD of their entire first season this past December 2006. I think this kind of project popularizes martial arts as a whole and a web-based show like this one demonstrates an alternative to martial art training when comparing to Ultimate Fighting Championship /UFC. I believe this is beneficial from a parents’ perspective to promote martial arts and the positive influence of the discipline on children. Taking this entry away would only impinge on the greater good of not only the martial art sub-culture, but the community as a whole. Feb 4th, 2007 6:03pm
- — Chipmonkey83 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Delete I see 272 hits on Google ([1]), and two sources that aren't to the subject's web site. The fact that one of the sources is a photograph taken of a French newspaper article lowers the notability somewhat; has anyone read WP:RS? Shadow1 (talk) 13:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Shadow, I have read WP:RS and edited the linking inside the original page so that the link is to the real newspaper website. --Clausewitz01 02:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Judging from a comparison of the usernames of those discussing this AFD and the cast of the show, I would say that virtually all of the above users are members of the show. Any members of the show that wish to discuss this AFD should read Wikipedia's sockpuppet policy. Shadow1 (talk) 13:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep What?? I'm sorry, anyone who reads a french newspaper lowers notability?? Well aren't we a little prejudice. I think that comment completely shatters your credibility Shadow1. — 74.101.11.104 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Prejudiced? I think it's an unreliable source because it's not in English, not because it's a French newspaper. Let's stop the name-calling here and stay on topic. More importantly, read my warning to sock puppets above. Shadow1 (talk) 16:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Why does it make it unreliable? Language has nothing to do with this debate. A very respectable French Canadian newspaper interviewed the creators of the show and wrote a very nice article about them. If this is not notable, then what is? Furthermore, the posts here are not sockpupetting, they are fans and students of the show and the dojo who are showing their support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.11.104 (talk • contribs)
    - My local newspaper wrote an article about a benefit concert in my area, that doesn't make it worthy of USA Today. As for the fans of the show, that's exactly it. AFD is supposed to be a balanced, unbiased discussion of the deletion of articles, introducing a group that is unquestionably biased towards Keep breaks that balance. Shadow1 (talk) 22:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - I think that fans of the show coming on here and showing their support proves it is notable. I have been working on the page and adding sources from other sites besides the creators site. Again, the normal proceedure for this kind of thing is to add a reference asking for more sources before nominating for deleation. And for the record, I am not a character on this show, just a fan. I also speak french and added the scan of the LeDroit article - for those that dont know LeDroit has national distribution to french speakers, so it is not a local paper. We are discussing a first of its kind here, a Martial Arts Web Series, that also adds to the 'notability' of the article. --Clausewitz01 22:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails to demonstrate any sort of notability. We are not a endless collection of information. Also I think an AFD is quite appropriate for this situation :P. Cheers! —— Eagle101 ^{Need help?} 23:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Eagle 101, as per our discussion on your 'discussion' page I have made the changes as you suggested. --Clausewitz01 13:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If wikipedia holds articles for specific genres of entertainment shows such as 'sitcom comedy' and 'reality television' as well as articles on specific shows such as 'Gilmore girls' with articles for each individual characters of the show, I really dont see why NX files can't have it's own space on Wikipedia when it is, as previously mentionned, a Martial Arts Web Series. This is a specific genre that should have its own article and the subsequent articles of the characters should be treated like the characters of any other show like those from the example listed above. User Sun_03 19:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC) .
Here is the article on the LeDroit Webpage (no more scan) and I have changed the sourcing link inside the article. Though I guess you can still go to the scan for the pic. This is the first ever full Martial Arts Webisode series on the net. Others have tried singular episodes, but I have yet to find anyone doing multiple seasons. This is a new genre that will grow with the obvious success of the NX Files. LeDroit is distributed nationally: LeDroit Article Une série de combat extrême connaît du succès sur Internet And if you are unable to read French, use BabelFish, Canada is a Bilingual country, so everything up here is in both languages. --Clausewitz01 01:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Here are a couple more 'Notable' links for NX Files.
- CTV, a Canadian National news network interviewed the creators for their Tech Now feature, I invite you to watch: ([2]).
- Cast members of the show taught martial arts to nearly 100 kids at the CHEO Train-a-thon in June of 2006. They helped raise a lot of money for the Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario. I invite you to watch: ([3]). --User:Sensei Krush 21:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So, to sumarize, there are now linked examples to national print and telivison media as well as web-pages that rate internet media, links from other martial arts sites, commenting on the uniqueness and popularity of this online Show. The show has been a primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works, in print, on Telivision and online, whose source is independent of the creators of the show. I will edit the main page to reflect that this is the first of its kind, and 'notable' because of that, an entire Martial Arts series that is webbased. --Clausewitz01 02:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Text of the CTV telivised information can be found on the CTV webpage: Linked to CTV article about NX Files --Clausewitz01 23:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - You can't really use the argument that other pages on similar subjects exist as a reason for keeping; if I started a garage band, made an article, and claimed 'But you have one on Metallica!', would that be valid? Of course not. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 23:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Veinor, this is not a garage band, I'd suggest that if you watch the show and you wouldnt make that comparison. There is nothing else like this that is free on the web. Here are the external references that do not originate with the creators of this show that I have just added to the page for notability purposes. --Clausewitz01 23:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Déziel-Hupé, Mercedes (2006-12-14). "Une Serie de Combat Extreme produite a Ottawa connait du success sur Internet". LeDroit. Retrieved 2007-02-06.
  - Eggens, Kate (2006-11-19). "INTERNET MOVIES". CTV News. Retrieved 2007-02-06.
  - Text of the CTV telivised cast can be found on the CTV website: CTV Article about NX Files "Internet Movies"
  - "The Best Video and Movie Sites on the Net" (htm). Internet Video Magazine. 2006. Retrieved 2007-02-06.
  - "WAKO World Championships 2003" (PDF). Jean Francois Lachapelle, Forms World Champion. World Association of Kickboxing Organizations. 2003. Retrieved 2007-02-06.
  - "Instructor - Alain Moussi" (htm). Seminar on Dynamic fight scene choreography (notes Moussi as Co-Founder of NX Files). Martial Arts Expo. 2006. Retrieved 2007-02-06.
  - "NX KAMPSPORT" (htm). Stephan Roy as Co-Founder of NX Files (WebSite is in Norwegian). Team Spirit Kampsort. 2006. Retrieved 2007-02-06.
KEEP -keep it simple I have looked through the List of Internet television series and read the news clips,The NX files is to me as notable,or more so than the majority of shows listed--Widge.1 01:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the link Widge.1 I have added that as a category to the main page of NX Files. --Clausewitz01 22:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP - Legitimate? Viewed in 54 countries - listed on a wide variety of media references; CTV, Le Droit, independent Internet Video website, sponsored and assisted by local and national businesses, now in its second season, 15 shows produced, a professional web presence for over a year and a half, produced by a core group of four people with the involvement of many more for every episode? How much more legitimate can it get? It is obvious that whomever is for deletion has not bothered to spend 3 minutes on the NX Files website. If this is fact, please do so. http://www.nxfiles.com You will see that it is more legitimate than your subjective arguments!
The fact that the NX Files show is an example of a NEW and FIRST application of serial martial-arts action-adventure video entertainment using the Internet has apparently threatened those who are for deletion.
This also brings the entire concept of Wikipedia as a valid and useful phenomena into question. You have a wonderful new idea, cutting edge entertainment, a fact and reality for the producers and their viewers and fans, but you think it's not legitimate? Laughable! This is a good example of a control over the media by people who are bent on controlling content for emotional reasons rather than opening themselves to factual information. :-(
NX Files exists. There are 15 episodes. There is a Season 1 DVD. It cost me $22.50. NX Files has been in existance for over a year. It is a legitmate form of entertainment in 54 countries. It has been seen by thousands of viewers. It is what they believe to be the first and only martial-arts serial on the Internet.
e;Delete it and you delete any relevance of Wikipedia as anything but a storage place for generally accepted historical and geographical information that can easily be obtained in many other places. KEEP --Ottawaj 13:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Quarl ^(talk) 09:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Quarl, I would like to see those that originally voted to delete take a look at the changes that have been made to the NX Files page. I think they would see that their concerns have been significantly addressed. --Clausewitz01 12:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep series article. The references alone are enough to satisfy the "non trivial third party references" rule everyone cites here. Merge character articles into one "Characters of NX Files" article. 23skidoo 13:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the series per 23skidoo but not the individual articles. Although I am generally really reluctant to support such articles, which are generally just attempts to give the appearance of greater notability to something that has very little.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 14:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I should add that it's unfortunate to see editors so aggressively refusing to comply with or even to understand wikipedia's mission - i.e. that it's not a grass-roots campaign to bring every non-notable slice of pop culture to the attention of the world.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 16:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Dmz -- although I was sorely tempted to vote delete because of all the SPAs. --N Shar 17:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Dmz and 23skidoo (and I agree with Dmz's comment above re: grass-rooting/astroturfing). I'm glad to see the deletion request fostered improvement of the article; as it stands now it gives a good idea of the mainstream coverage the series has generated and is well-reference. However I'd like to see the individual character pages merged into the main article. Roadmr (t|c) 18:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- - This did motivate me to work hard on this article - and has taught me reference methods for other articles on Wikipedia. I would agree with a consensus that merged in the character pages into a single characters page. --Clausewitz01 21:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, notable enough --89.51.145.80

As the consensus seems towards a merger of the character page into one "NX Files: Characters" I would like to do the editing to merge the character pages, but I have read and re-read the AfD guidelines and it really looks like I need to wait until this discussion is closed. I am not sure when the discussion closes or if I can just go ahead with the merge, any guidance is appreciated. --Clausewitz01 01:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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