Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael and Marisa

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The result was keep. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 03:15, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michael and Marisa

Musical group (a pair of kids really) with what seems to be local notability at best, a single album released through a non-notable record label and an impressive bio. I do not think this meets WP:MUSIC, even considering the unsourced claims of arena performances or anything else, but there's a lot here so I figured it deserves consensus. §FreeRangeFrog 17:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Let's make one thing clear. Their age is totally irrelevant. Kids of their age and even younger have become notable for music performances. Connie Talbot and The Naked Brothers Band come to mind (and no that last one isn't perverted) - Mgm|^(talk) 18:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete this probably could have been speedied without controversy, but whether slowly or quickly it definitely needs to go. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 19:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And Strong keep Clearly meets WP:N. [1] I think is yet another source. Coverage includes a major paper. This isn't pure "local news" stuff. Hobit (talk) 01:49, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I should have mentioned that because of that coverage it meets WP:MUSIC's first criteria. Hobit (talk) 01:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They do not clearly meet WP:MUSIC. Perhaps WP:GNG, but that's questionable, otherwise I wouldn't have AfD'ed the article. Looking at those sources you added, two are basically the same geographical area (same website). The performances would need to be sourced in order to be considered. It seems to me that if this group is so notable, there would be far more news hits, which seem rather lacking at this time. Even locally. §FreeRangeFrog 02:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, I didn't add anything. Secondly could you explain how the sources involved don't meet WP:MUSIC#1? We've got the Boston Herold as well as a national website review. Not to mention the more local sources...Hobit (talk) 13:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Resume highlights include: Whisky A Go Go and Roxy Nightclubs, Hollywood, CA; Ecofest at Lincoln Center, New York, NY; Rocketown, Nashville, TN; and Boston Celtics Professional Basketball Game (18,000 people). --Evb-wiki (talk) 02:18, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While the coverage may be sufficient for them to meet WP:GNG, this reasoning is faulty. A lot of people get the chance to perform a couple of songs in a notable venue but the notability of a venue doesn't rub off on the people who perform there. As for the basketball game, those always have entertainment during half-time; those 18000 people came to view the basketball game, not for any singers. = Mgm|^(talk) 18:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My comment was in response to the nom's suggestion that they had only local notability. --Evb-wiki (talk) 19:15, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Did the local media pick up on their performances in these locations? They should have for your argument to make sense. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. See the Boston Herald article and the TRi-Town Transcript article. --Evb-wiki (talk) 12:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - notability demonstrated through coverage in reliable sources. And to toss another one into the mix, this article. -- Whpq (talk) 15:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.