Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Massive online open degree

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy deleted as A11 (non-admin closure) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:54, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copying prod comments: From me: Non-notable, article content is in the Massive open online course article (where it belongs) and does not need to be duplicated here (it covers a type of Online degree or Online learning, etc.). If the term 'MOOD' gains prominence as a distinct concept then it might be appropriate to create an article in the future

Response from User:Chiefeditor001: Please note a massive online open course is a significant innovation in higher education. Higher education is not a course, and therefore should not be a subset of a massive open online course. In addition there's a significant difference between a $50000 degree and an affordable $7000 degree.

Sjgknight (talk) 11:21, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete To add to my points above, the article is largely an advertisement for one online degree offering. Other online degrees (at reasonable cost) exist, as do online courses (including but not limited to Massive open online courses). The distinctive notability of a 'Massive online open degree' is not established, the term is not widely used, and it is not clear how this offering is any different from a wide number of other similar courses or degrees (many of which are online, at reasonable cost, and to wide participation). The article content is currently also in the Massive open online course article (although I don't think it's entirely obvious it should be there either). Sjgknight (talk) 11:21, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Modifying to 'speedy delete', searches for "massive online open degree" or "massive open online degree" give only one non-Wikipedia hit. Suggest the editor explores ways to improve articles on HE education cost and online education using guidance e.g. in the tutorial Sjgknight (talk) 12:25, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No Delete is Called For To add to my points above, the article is not an advertisement for any online degree offering. Several references to specific universities have been removed in order for the article to not sound like an add. An online degree is much more than an online course, and a significant step forward in online education. Please don't compare an online degree with an online course in the same sentence in this context. Although a few elite universities such as Stanford, and others offer online master degrees at a very high cost, there are only a few online degrees offered at an affordable cost. I have only come across very few online masters degrees that are affordable. If you know of any affordable online masters degrees please provide a link. A requirement for massive worldwide participation is affordability. Even though it can be argued what affordability is most people can't afford the $50000+ that an elite university demands. A $1000 to $10000 degree is much more affordable . It's possible that the article can be merged with the online degree article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chiefeditor001 (talk • contribs) 11:42, 7 January 2015 (UTC) Chiefeditor001 (talk) 11:50, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"It's possible that the article can be merged with the online degree article" - I agree, I would suggest looking at how the content could be included in that article. Incidentally masters degree fees are much lower in the UK (and in many European countries, completely free), e.g. the OU's (online) fees are here. The fee thing may be a bit of a red-herring though - the issue is whether quality external sources are talking about the MOOD as a distinctive offering, it isn't our job to decide that. Sjgknight (talk) 12:07, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Solid Keep To add to the points above a massive open online degree differs from an online degrees offered by elite universities such as Stanford University, Open University, and MIT, that charge between $10000 and $100000 for an online masters degree. This makes the degrees very inaccessible to the majority of students worldwide. The $1000 to $7000 price point is much more accessible, and thus better qualifies as open. A second characteristic of MOODs is that they are based on the same type of technology platform as MOOCs. The training materials are of a much higher than the first generation online degrees. A third characteristic of that distinguishes a MOOD from a regular online degree is that some MOODs are offered by highly ranked universities. Some of the top 10 US universities are offering open online degrees. unsigned Chiefeditor001 16:07, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Solid Keep When searching for massive open online degree on Google I got 11.300.000 hits. It's possible that the acronym MOOD shouldn't be used for . However that doesn't really change that massive open online degree results in a significant number of hits, and is a significant innovation.

You need to search using quotation marks Sjgknight (talk) 15:32, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Solid Keep Suggest that Sjgknight explores using guidance e.g. in the tutorial, as well as guidelines for flagging articles for deletion. There may also be a conflict of interest, since Sjgknight is associated with an elite university, and or a British university, and would like to limit articles, that highlight educational innovation by US universities Chiefeditor001 16:17, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Focus on the content please Sjgknight (talk) 15:32, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Massive Online Open Degree article is an amazing article Suggest that we all be constructive, and help create the article rather than fighting and trying to delete it. Don't be envious about other people starting an article. Let clarity guide us, not confusion. Let's be innovative, not bureaucratic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danreese (talk • contribs) 16:43, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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