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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Fritzpoll (talk) 21:28, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Declining speedy, although it's a close call. Language suggests the author is or is friends with the developer, but isn't explicit. 18 hits here, but they're all in Spanish so I can't evaluate. The given references are messageboards. - Dank (push to talk) 12:24, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • snip* nvm......whats wrong with forums?

and also, you can use google's translate feature to view foreign articles [and yes. i am a friend to the developer. i am the beta tester] Fgghjjkll (talk) 00:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

also... I don't see how it promotes a non-notable piece of software. For us (NDS Homebrew Users) it's pretty notable. Is it not notable because it's unreleased? If so then why has ID Tech 5 not been flagged for deletion since it's non-released. I agree fully with Fgghjjkll that this article should be allowed to continue. It is to educate readers about the application, not to promote it, You don't exactly see something in there like, "This App is better than the rest, Use it and only it, It will be the only thing you need", And the testers probably haven't explored the software completely yet so there may be parts they don't know about yet. In short, I fail to see how this does not pass the criterion for articles, and I believe that many of the beta testers would love to contribute while their testing the software. It wasn't made by a certain company but then again, neither was the Replacement Firmware FlashMe for the DS but that still has an article. This is simply a Replacement application for NintendoDS Slot-1 flash cartridges. I also believe that this article would become more proper given time. It was only started a little while ago. Thank you for your time and please reconsider the deletion of this article. ShadowEO (talk) 06:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:MENUdo_(Homebrew)" Fgghjjkll (talk) 07:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to save it please add suitable references that meet Wikipedia's criteria: "reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". I'm unable to find any. andy (talk) 12:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK....give me time to find those "Reliable Sources" you are talking about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fgghjjkll (talk • contribs) 22:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Save - I added a source from a site called GameGrep to the references of the article. We are working on references, also keywords you might want to add into your searches XMBLite Nintendo DS NDS Soulanger, He named his project after a Flilipno dish that is made with cheeseburger I believe. Thank you for giving us the time to look for references. ShadowEO (talk) 23:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

— ShadowEO (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

That's not an adequate reference. Please read and follow wikipedia policy on references. andy (talk) 06:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have read them, and I'm trying really hard to keep this article here. This is a very big project for NintendoDS Homebrew and is as of yet in closed beta and unreleased as my recent edits to the post say. The author prefers to use the GBATemp forums for status updates and announcements and there's nothing that any of us can do to change that. I don't understand why you can't accept GBATemp citations, They post news about homebrew applications. The snippets for such news are on the front page but sure, the actual articles themselves are in forum posts, that's so that people can comment on the application/news post. If you take a look at it maybe you'll see that, just go there and click any news post and hit either Source or View post. In fact, here is a link to the specified post and if you see, all news posts are replicated on the forums via an automated news posting bot. GBATemp News Post for project in question ShadowEO (talk) 08:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Status updates, news posts, discussion forums etc are not independent and reliable third party sources. What's needed is a reference to some statement or analysis by a respected industry magazine, guru or whatever, or something like that. Please read WP:RS. andy (talk) 08:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

youtube videos...are they not adequate enough?Fgghjjkll (talk) 08:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please justify this to me, We're getting this article deleted because we cited references to forum posts and videos when Moonshell only has official pages and a reference to BatchDPG? so if we had an official page for this software, would the page be saved? ShadowEO (talk) 09:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I see that Moonshell has been tagged as inadequately referenced and quite right too. Maybe it should be challenged. Any editor, yourself included, is at liberty to challenge any article through a deletion process such as this one. But that's not a reason why this article should not be deleted. It appears to fail two key wikipedia policies - notability and verifiability. I fail to see how unreleased software can be in any meaningful sense notable, unless it's a forthcoming version of or enhancement to something that's already notable. andy (talk) 10:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Technically though this is an enhancement of the FlashCart firmwares as it adds features to them. ShadowEO (talk) 16:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well? What I said is true? This has been up for a day now. Usually you guys answer us almost about an hour after we post, Is there something wrong? ShadowEO (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC).[reply]

IRC quotes? legitimate IRC quotes?Fgghjjkll (talk) 09:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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