Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leon Botha

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The result was keep. JohnCD (talk) 16:25, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leon Botha

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Delete as non-notable. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 01:01, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:ARTIST. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 03:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No evidence of notability. -RobertMel (talk) 04:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GNG. Article now contains more sources. He seems to have received significant coverage in multiple South African media outlets, and his collaboration with Die Antwoord has gotten notice in other parts of the world.--Arxiloxos (talk) 07:12, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Heck, just being a progeria 'survivor' makes him notable, if it weren't also for all his artwork, arts coverage, collaboration with Die Antwoord, etc. You've heard of one in a million? By definition, progeria is one in eight million, and surviving into his twenties makes him even that more special (one in... 64 million?), while also being artistically gifted and publicly recognized as such. Centerone (talk) 07:57, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:26, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:27, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep notable South-African artist and progeria survivor.--Narayan (talk) 22:52, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Living to 24 with progeria is pretty amazing, and he's got a big enough corpus at this point to be notable just for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EhSeuss (talk • contribs) 17:59, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable for being a 24 year old artist with progeria http://www.joaoferreiragallery.com/exhibitions/2010_transgressions.html and http://www.leonbotha.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.101.224 (talk) 20:32, 10 March 2010 (UTC) — 5.47.101.224 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Just to put my two cents in again -- I strongly disagree with the position that being a 24 year old -- or whatever age-- and being afflicted with progeria, tragic as that is, indicates notability, per se, as several individuals here contend. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 22:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, in principle, with your point. But might say, the worlds oldest X, Y, or Z qualify? It seems that there are people with pages on wikipedia mainly only notable for their age. I'm trying to seek confirmation of the worlds oldest progeria survivor (I found one reference for someone living to 27, and feel that the references for someone living to their 40s are not progeria, but a progeria-like condition like Werner's Syndrome.) Searching for oldest progeria seems to imply that Leon may be one of the oldest currently living (lots of potentially unreliable pages call him the oldest) but I doubt that he's the only one currently 24 or greater. I still stand on my KEEP vote above. Centerone (talk) 01:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, I don't think the issue of per se notability is presented. He has received media coverage as an artist and for his status as a progeria survivor; it's the coverage that makes him notable in the Wikipedia sense.--Arxiloxos (talk) 01:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It's not only the Progeria that makes Leon Botha notable, it's his Art, his Music, his Spirituality. I am a writer working on his Biography as we 'speak', he's been on International TV for his artwork, also for his one in a million case of Progeria. You may doubt that he's the oldest survivor, but this doesn't change the fact that he is. And the world has got the right to know and see that this didn't stop him from being who he chose to be. It's written in an objective way, stating facts of his life and art. This post was written after many mails and letters of inquiry of 'how is it that Leon Botha is not found on Wikipedia?', as so the page was created, although still being written, I insist on it being kept, open your minds and give to the world of the living, to the world of strife and struggle against many a thing the right to be explored. Wickeddish (talk) 07:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC) — Wickeddish (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep If you knew a mere portion of what I've been through, or how hard I've worked... or even really gave a fair view at my work in any of the different projects I've been involved with, you would respect that. And you would also see and realize that even if you choose to delete me now, I WILL BE BACK. I don't care about whether or not I am "the oldest person alive with progeria", that has in NO way been certified. And even if it is true, I don't care for that title, nor do I particularly like it. Being in my position and still making it as an artist, IS notable. All of that aside, Wikipedia is simply based on coverage and like I say, if I am deleted now, it will simply come up again in future by the means of someone else about work in future. This is not about my ego, but in contributing to the world. Whether you agree or not, I am and I do. -Leon Botha Solarizel (talk) 11:07, 14 March 2010 (UTC) — Solarizel (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Leon - Welcome on board.. I don't think anybody is belittling your journey. That being said, you (& your biographer) may benefit from reading a few pages on wikipedia policies: Biographies of living persons and Autobiographies which are based around and rely on policies of neutral point of view, verifiability and no original research. These may give you a better idea of how to better deal with and improve the article. One place where you could definitely add to it is by submitting a photo released under a suitable Free content license. Anyways, I'm glad the article is here (I was going to start it myself if nobody else did); I also started one for Waddy Jones, and have worked on the Die Antwoord article. Centerone (talk) 11:42, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP How can you possibly sit and decide who stays and goes, you should take notes from all the accomplishments this wonderful person has done and has yet to do,leon is a legend and is hope for others with this disability. Shame on you wikipedia shame on YOU!)-----AnThOnY- — 75.88.133.231 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Keep {{.}} how dare you... Longest living with Progeria + Very successful artist = end discussion! Klsone (talk) 19:37, 14 March 2010 (UTC) — Klsone (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
KEEP I think the delete notice had the intended effect of improving the article and adding more sources, so there is now "evidence of notability." Given the press coverage, the gallery exhibitions, the presence on the internet of his art, and, yes, the "Die Antwoord" "Ninja" video, there should be no question but to keep this entry. Gsshatan (talk) 22:26, 14 March 2010 (UTC) — Gsshatan (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

K E E P - Leon Botha is an Artist and explorer of rare sensibility and lucidity! He is part of a dazzling world of immediate direct perception, a world of No Bulshit, and he comes into your world of "notability", predation, empty idealities and Bulshit in terms to bring you some beauty, mystery and lucidity, as well as to teach you some kindness, patience and awakened presence. You, of the invented 'socail order' with its quazi-nazi/darwinian "scales of worth" are soaked in (deep) bulshit because you live in illusions: the illusions that you are 'important' and immortal. Immortal and "important" people are dead and arrogant. You've been shaping the world for mileniae this way: dead, arrogant and predatorial. You have to go now, your time is up: wakey-wakey! It's time for the humble artist-being of lucid awareness and mystery to step in. As you perish we will dream another world, more fluid, with more integrity, consideration of the Other, kindness, creativity and exploration of the unknown mysteries. This is why Leon is here to stay! ~Rosin Fairfield —Preceding unsigned comment added by RFairfield (talk • contribs) 22:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC) — RFairfield (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

KEEP He is simply a famous person who should be listed. Jakro64 (talk) 08:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- - Keep*** Clearly this discussion in itself proves that Mr. Botha has achieved a level of notoriety that warrants inclusion in Wikipedia. Even if his recognition as an artist didn't warrant inclusion, which it does, his becoming an internet, pop icon of sorts certainly would. Does the article need editing? Yes. This can hardly be accomplished if it is removed and life occurs whether or not it is recorded in a style that pleases everyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcimhe (talk • contribs) 04:08, 16 March 2010 (UTC) — Bcimhe (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep The subject passes WP:GNG. See this article from The Times (South Africa) and this article from Mail & Guardian. Notability is fully established. Cunard (talk) 05:10, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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