Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Krysten moore

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Krysten moore

The result was Keep Jac16888 (talk) 16:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced. "American Miss New Jersey Teen", whatever that is, is not notable. There are only two google hits for "American Miss New Jersey Teen", and neither of them is about this person. COI issues, as well. [1] says the 2007-2008 "American Miss New Jersey Teen" is Catherine Ha. Little Red Riding Hoodtalk 06:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment not sure if this helps, but googling "National Bully Prevention Spokesperson Krysten Moore" gets you 54 ghits. i checked the first couple of pages and they first 10 or so mention her. Mission Fleg (talk) 06:28, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep She won a title and she'll be doing publicity in New Jersey. This is referenceable. WP:PAPER. Potatoswatter (talk) 07:31, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:06, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "A" title does not make one notable, unless the title itself is notable. Little Red Riding Hoodtalk 20:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:06, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Neutral "Miss Teen New Jersey International" is a non-notable pageant. Winning it does not make one notable. A more notable NJ pageant would be Miss New Jersey Teen USA, the winners which go on to Miss Teen USA — the winners of which are marginally notable. Per info added about non-pageant activities. - Atmoz (talk) 16:42, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP Well... looking at the article itself, it offers this link to Love Our Children USA and this to Miss Teen International, which shows she's a 2007 winner, not a 2008. I made a correction to the article to reflect this source. Further, and specially after being part of an AfD for Miss Teen Nepal, it was pretty much decided that such smaller pagents are just as worthy as their larger brethren. Local notability is notability none-the-less. Notability does not have to be world-wide. That said... we come to the issue of does this win give her notability? Maybe. But it might otherwise be considerd a WP:ONEVENT and dismissed... except for that she is now also a "National Bully Prevention" spokesperson, and that coverage Love Our Children USA, Miss NJ International, Miss Teen International, Namct.org, Cscic.state.ny.us, Youth for Youth, Miyo.CaseFoundation, Next Step Magazine, Rachel Ray Show, etc.... would tend to show she does have a notability, albeit minor. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
NOTE. I have just added those sources to the article, as either sourcing the assertions or as external links. She's notable for more than being a teen beauty queen. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak~~ Keep There are credible claims of notability included in the article, and there are sources to support the anti-bullying role. I'd like to see these sources better integrated into the article, and will reconsider my vote if this is done. I have already edited the article and I have no idea who the person is -- other than we live in the same state -- and I will be more than happy to address any genuine WP:COI issues if they are raised. Alansohn (talk) 01:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I am upgrading to Keep based on the additional sources added by MichaelQSchmidt, which demonstrate that Moore's notability is primarily related to her longstanding anti-bullying advocacy, above and beyond her pageant win. Kudos on the effort to expand the article. Alansohn (talk) 21:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per WP:BIO and WP:NOTE. In particular, the article fails this criteria: The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field. ThePointblank (talk) 06:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How widely must her contributions be recognized? Citywide? Statewide? Countrywide? Or worldwide? According to the sources, through her foundation of SHINE (Students Helping Instill New Esteem) and her being the National Prevention spokesperson for Love Our Children USA, she has been recognized for her contributions in her city and her state, and through the pagent and television, her country. [2], [3], [4]... there's more in the article. She has made as tremendous an impact as anyone can at 19, and is creating her own notability in her own field. Or can she not qualify unless she is much older? She does seem to pass WP:PEOPLE and WP:GNG... the more people-specific guidelines of WP:N. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The problem I have is that this article is about a specific person that maybe isn't that notable. For example, Alaina Podmorow, a young 11 year old doesn't have an article on her despite receiving coverage of her work from the CBC, the Canadian government, Maclean's, and many other sources. She maybe notable from a local standpoint, but from the standpoint of Wikipedia, Wikipedia is not a news source: it takes more than just a short burst of news reports about a single event or topic to constitute evidence of sufficient notability. From what I can tell, her bit notoriety only came from a short burst of media coverage which quickly died down. In fact, there is more reason to have an article on Alaina Podmorow than Krysten Moore because of her continued media coverage past the initial burst of coverage under these guidelines. ThePointblank (talk) 13:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Though I certainly can agree with your WP:WAX argument that Alaina Podmorow could deserve an article, I do not agree that 3 years of coverage in a 19-year-old's life for multiple assertions of notability with more than-local-coverage, which has not yet "died down" is only a short burst. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 15:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's more of continued in depth coverage that is the problem I am having. I am only seeing 1 major article on her in a local newspaper, plus a short appearance on national TV. I would be fine if I see multiple in depth coverage (for example, a more broadly recognized article in a newspaper, complete with biography, work, everything, plus a major story on her on national TV), but since the Krysten Moore is only covered in 1 newspaper article, and is briefly mentioned on national TV (as a secondary source). That's not notable enough from my standpoint. ThePointblank (talk) 00:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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