Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KOS-MOS

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There seems a rough consensus for a merge and redirect, but AfD is not the appropriate forum for such a discussion Fritzpoll (talk) 11:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

KOS-MOS

Following up on reverted redirect. This subject is a video game character with no claim to fame other than having been listed in a magazine article as one of the "top video game characters" (in an entry one paragraph long). In general, this would require multiple reliable secondary sources and not just one. Article consists solely of in-universe and game guide content, because that's all that exists. Redirect for search purposes is fine. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:51, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 14:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. Cannot find any sources, but I'm conscious that my searches are unlikely to have had hits on Japanese language sites, which are the most likely to be discussing this character from a game that is much better known in Japan than in US/Europe. JulesH (talk) 14:46, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge to List of characters in the Xenosaga series. Major character in that series of video games and animation series and a legitimate breakout article to keep the main one from growing too large. Edward321 (talk) 15:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, and then consider whether to Merge or Redirect into a suitable article or list of minor characters. As even the nominator thinks a redirect is fine, he should not have brought this here, but discussed on the talk page. DGG (talk) 16:34, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion page is primarily used by the current contributors of the page, who are unlikely to provide a neutral assessment. This is a wider forum. A posthumous redirect is just a courtesy suggestion; I don't think any of this material is salvageable as part of those crufty "list of articles we couldn't quite save" articles that those opposed to our guidelines on fictional content are so fond of. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 17:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of characters in the Xenosaga series. I do agree that this really didn't need to be taken to AFD when a proposal for redirection could have been brought up using the WP:MERGE guidelines. But now that we're here... MuZemike 21:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and Redirect to List of characters in the Xenosaga series, but only if relevent information IS merged. Far too often a merge turns into a mere delete and redirect instead. Merely redirecting wipes out anything that might be salvagable, which is why the initial delete and redirect was reverted in the first place. Nezu Chiza (talk) 21:15, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or near complete merge to List of characters in the Xenosaga series as it is a major character in a major game series. Also, how does changing it to a redirect to List of characters in the Xenosaga series without merging any content into the target article be useful for any search purposes? Also, some references/reviews from the New York Times' Charles Herold: [1], [2]. --Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 00:50, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Major character in a major game series" still doesn't indiciate in and of itself that a character has received significant coverage from independent sources. Your two new "references" are good examples of this - Two reviews of games, where KOS-MOS is only mentioned in passing as a plot element (and given the throwaway "who looks like a supermodel" in the second). Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge for the moment - There are reliable sources out there that talk specifically about KOS-MOS as well as devleopment sketchs and commenrary from the artbooks. However, right now I'm too busy to re-look those sources up. KOS-MOS can be unmerged if/when there are enough reliable sources found specifically on her.じんない 03:38, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above, a major character in a major game series, with independent, verifiable sources written about the subject.193.62.153.245 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 09:01, 9 February 2009 (UTC).[reply]
- Sorry, didn't realise I wasn't logged in. Orbital Delegate (talk) 09:03, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and clean the hell out of it If it helps I just added a bit from AOL's GameDaily to her reception.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Though I will readily add that there does seem to be a lack of sources in material I'm looking through...--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - This needs major cleanup to remove plot duplication from the article from the Xenosaga games. Once done, I see this being 3, maybe 4 paragraphs long, not enough to warrant a full article given the weak demonstration of notability, but can be fully covered in a Xenosaga character list. --MASEM 14:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.