Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jashodaben Modi (3rd nomination)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jashodaben Modi

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Blatant violation of WP:NOTINHERITED. All sources talk significantly about Narendra Modi, the Indian Prime Minister. I don't see any sources that discuss her without significantly talking about Narendra Modi. Srijanx22 (talk) 15:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:34, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:34, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:34, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Nominator's statement is blatantly false, for one NOTINHERITED is not a guideline that can be "violated", and significant ongoing coverage of her in many international sources includes [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], and [6]. I have voted delete on many people whose sole claim to fame was a relation, but she has received much legitimate coverage about her relationship clearly passing GNG. Reywas92^Talk 18:06, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

10 facts to know about Jashodaben, wife of Prime Minister Narendra Modi - No need to describe how the coverage isn't centered on her but happened because of relationship with Narendra Modi.
Abandoned as a child bride, wife of Narendra Modi hopes he calls - Same as above.
No passport for PM's spouse, as she has no marriage certificate - Same as above.
This article mentions Narendra Modi more than 10 times, thus same as above.
Narendra Modi’s Estranged Wife Escapes Unhurt From Car Crash in India - No brainer that she got coverage here only because she is wife of Narendra Modi.
“I am Narendra Modi’s Wife” - The case is way too obvious for me to explain.

All of these sources do not confirm that the subject is notable at all outside the relationship with Narendra Modi. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 12:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You clearly misunderstand NotInherited. It does not mean that sources are forbidden from mentioning the related person to count. Most sources about every first lady for every country will be premised on the relationship and would not get coverage at all were they not married to a leader. Reywas92^Talk 18:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jashodaben Modi is not a "first lady" of India. Srijanx22 (talk) 15:50, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tell that to the folks at Spouse of the prime minister of India then. Reywas92^Talk 17:31, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep. The sources listed by Reywas92 are very convincing and more than enough for WP:GNG-based notability. They are all primarily about the subject, in-depth, appear reliable, and span a wide range of years. Nomination is based on a blatant misunderstanding of NOTINHERITED: it does not prevent someone related to more-famous topics from having articles, if they themselves are also notable. For instance, most sources about Narendra Modi are going to mention the country of India, a more notable topic than Narendra Modi; nevertheless, Narendra Modi is also notable. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:55, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's a clear cut misrepresentation of NOTINHERITED. The coverage of this subject is clearly depending on the popularity of Narendra Modi. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 12:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- So what? NOTINHERITED clearly states "Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship ... if they pass WP:GNG". The coverage of Narendra Modi is clearly depending on the significance of the country of India; does that make Narendra Modi non-notable? —David Eppstein (talk) 18:58, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep As per sources listed by Reywas92 and David Eppstein. Patriot0239 (talk) 07:05, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

David Eppstein never listed a single source. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 12:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- If that's intended to cast my opinion into disrepute, it fails badly. I looked carefully at all six of the sources listed by Reywas92, analyzed them myself rather than relying on Reywas92's opinion of them, and concurred that they more than met the requirements of WP:GNG. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:50, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Blatant case of WP:NOTINHERITED as per my assessment of sources above. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 12:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- NOTINHERITED is not actually a valid deletion rationale. It states only that if someone does not pass GNG, then inherited notability will not save them. But that would be equally true ignoring the question of inheritance. So without an evaluation of whether she passes GNG (that is, whether there are multiple in-depth reliable sources about her, regardless of who else those sources might also mention), your opinion is valueless. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:03, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. clearly has enough SIGCOV (see Reywas92) and pass GNG. --hroest 13:29, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per all above + UCS. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 22:50, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The subject has substantial coverage from reliable and independent sources (Ashique2020 (talk) 03:08, 15 May 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Keep Adequate evidence has been provided above that the subject meets GNG. As David Eppstein explained, close relations of famous people can have an independent article when GNG is satisfied. -- Ab207 (talk) 06:51, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They can't, otherwise there will be an article about every single relative of Narendra Modi and Donald Trump but that hasn't happened. Srijanx22 (talk) 15:50, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It happened actually. Several members of the Trump's family do have their own articles because they meet GNG. -- Ab207 (talk) 12:24, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Srijanx22 it would have been appropriate to do a courtesy ping of all those who !voted in the first two AFDs considering that the consensus was delete in both of them and the sources considered were almost the same. VV 09:06, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Pinging @RegentsPark, SpacemanSpiff, LibStar, Redtigerxyz, Johnpacklambert, Sitush, Bejnar, and EricSerge:. Srijanx22 (talk) 15:50, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the last AfD was in 2014 and that most of the sources from Reywas92 (considered also in my comment) have a later date than that. Therefore, I believe your claim that "the sources considered were almost the same" is false. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:15, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

David Eppstein to clarify, while the sources by Reywas92 are newer, the issues have persisted from time much before which is why I !voted keep due to WP:SUSTAINED. Certain aspects are unique to post-ascendance to the PM post. Best! VV 06:11, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the coverage of the subject has been WP:SUSTAINED and satisfies WP:GNG even if in relationship to Modi. VV 09:21, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep WTH? She is a public figure and controversial figure of our nation. This article has significant coverage and reliable source for her controversial case to justify keeping. WP:GNG is met. VocalIndia (talk) 10:02, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You need to read WP:ILIKEIT. Srijanx22 (talk) 15:50, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lol it is you! So pity🥺. You also need to read WP:IDONTLIKE. VocalIndia (talk) 17:06, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep My knee jerk reaction was not notable but, looking at the article, I do see that she has been busy since the last time I !voted on this. While still marginal, we should probably keep this article. --RegentsPark (comment) 18:56, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have checked too and I don't see the subject rising above being wife of Narendra Modi. Shankargb (talk) 03:24, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- What specific wording of what notability requirement do you see that requires anyone to "rise above" anyone else to be notable? Where is that even a thing? How does this relate to the actual criteria of WP:GNG? —David Eppstein (talk) 04:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I read earlier AfDs and I see that nothing seems to have changed when it comes to failure of notability. Most of the names listed on Spouse of the prime minister of India don't have an article. I see no special reason for this subject. Shankargb (talk) 03:24, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Most humans do not have articles. I see no special reason why we should have articles for humans. I have given the matter all due consideration. --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:57, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep 7 years of Modi Raj have made her a mini-celebrity. Media covers her temple visits [7][8][9], her car accident [10], her visit to an iftar party [11], even when she votes [12]. Things have changed from 2014 (see the last Afd, which I had initiated).--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 11:30, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Absurd to claim that this doesn't meet WP:BASIC. Furius (talk) 01:16, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I voted in this article's 2nd AFD. In 2014, there was not the significant coverage to merit retaining it. However, several years later, the situation has changed and there is a ton of sustained coverage. Like Modi or not, his wife is notable on her own now. EricSerge (talk) 17:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Nitesh003 (talk) 09:24, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.