Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/It Won't Stop

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:57, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It Won't Stop

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Non-notable song. Per WP:NSONG, charting is only an indication that a song may be notable. The song lacks significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources as required by NSONG and WP:GNG. I have no objection to restoring the redirect. — JJMC89 (T·C) 16:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. — JJMC89 (T·C) 16:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~The song seems very notable and it also lists a series of references. I have am objection to restoring the redirect. Musiclover46 (talk), 14 October 2016 (UTC)~~ sock edit struck--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 17:10, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Having references does not imply notability. — JJMC89 (T·C) 17:01, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
~~It has charted several times and has won a gold certification. Musiclover46 (talk), 14 October 2016 (UTC)~~ sock edit struck--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 17:10, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The article was recreated by a WP:SOCK of MrWriter245. — JJMC89 (T·C) 17:34, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I see JJMC89's point... the record has charted on the Billoard Hot 100 and gained a RIAA gold certification, which would pass two of the criteria for WP:NSONG. But on the other hand, there doesn't seem anything else to be said about the single. A redirect to the EP Call Me Crazy, But... might be the best option here, with the chart placings for "It Won't Stop" added to the chart section for that EP. Richard3120 (talk) 18:16, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning keep Chart hit, it's notable, i.e. something people would actually look up. There's one minor RS review there, I'd be frankly amazed if more don't exist. The reference chaff is considerable, but there's enough here to keep IMO with a bit of hacking - David Gerard (talk) 18:47, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per David Gerard. It has also been certified gold in the United States, thus strengthening its notability. —SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 01:45, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources is required by WP:NSONG and WP:GNG. This has not been demonstrated – one minor RS review is not significant coverage. Charting does not imply notability per NSONG. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:29, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I added a few more reliable references to the article, including Billboard and Rolling Stone, among others. —SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 04:17, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm still not seeing significant coverage. Two sentences in Rolling Stone, an announcement in Billboard, and a MTV article that doesn't say anything about the song don't cut it. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:23, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NSONG states that a song is "have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label." Coverage (doesn't have to even be a "significant" amount) on this charted single is enough for an article to be created. This single has also been released to urban radio and acquired a gold certification, which allowed for it to chart on the highly notable Billboard Hot 100 (this is also a possible criteria mentioned in WP:NSONG. Since you think there isn't enough coverage, here is a quick list of additional reliable sources:

National Basketball Association: http://www.nba.com/blazers/dorell-wright-plays-love-interest-sevyn-streeter-it-wont-stop-video/

Idolator (website): http://www.idolator.com/7506451/sevyn-streeter-it-wont-stop-remixes

Second Billboard (magazine): http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/5827387/sevyn-streeter-makes-crazy-debut-on-top-rbhip-hop-albums-chart

The Source: http://thesource.com/2013/08/29/sevyn-streeters-new-single-it-wont-stop-remix-featuring-chris-brown/

NPR Music: http://www.npr.org/event/music/338276926/sevyn-streeter-knocks-us-out

AllMusic: http://www.allmusic.com/album/it-wont-stop-mw0002565150

Vibe (magazine): http://www.vibe.com/2013/08/vixen-boombox-sevyn-streeter-feat-chris-brown-it-wont-stop-remix/

The Boombox: http://theboombox.com/sevyn-streeter-it-wont-stop-arsenio/

Singersroom: http://singersroom.com/content/2013-10-11/sevyn-streeter-it-wont-stop-ft-chris-brown/

Singersroom 2: http://singersroom.com/content/2013-05-23/Sevyn-Streeter-It-Wont-Stop/

The Urban Daily: http://theurbandaily.com/2013/10/11/sevyn-streeter-it-wont-stop-chris-brown-official-video/

Grammy Award: http://www.grammy.com/news/sevyn-streeter-wont-stop

Music Times: http://mstarsnews.musictimes.com/articles/20177/20131011/sevyn-streeter-ft-chris-brown-wont-stop-music-video-call.htm

Also, regarding your remark about the "MTV article that doesn't say anything about the song", I'm not sure if you have read the article. It talks about the song's music video, which is an integral part to include in the article. —SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 05:20, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, coverage needs to be significant. All articles on albums, singles or other recordings must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.^WP:NMUSIC Many of those sources are trivial. Examples: AllMusic is a database entry; The Source is trivial; grammy.com is just a mention; Vibe is a mere announcement. I did read the MTV article. It talks about the video, not the song itself. — JJMC89 (T·C) 20:19, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever the case is, it's still received significant coverage - I don't really get why you're targeting this article to be deleted even though there's plenty of other articles out there that haven't charted at all with minimal to no coverage whatsoever. And, once again, articles on the music video of the song still talk about the song itself -> adding on to the "significant coverage" that the song has received. Have you not realized that almost all good/featured song articles with music videos have a section titled "Music video" on them? —SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 22:32, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

eh, I think we can have enough here that this article existing wouldn't be a disgrace - David Gerard (talk) 09:25, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Whether the article is a disgrace or not (your personal opinion) is not the point of the discussion; it is notability. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:23, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Notability has been established per WP:NMUSIC. You then argued it needed "significant coverage" as well. Please keep track of which argument you are using in a given thread - David Gerard (talk) 09:48, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

NMUSIC does require significant coverage. All articles on albums, singles or other recordings must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.^WP:NMUSIC — JJMC89 (T·C) 20:19, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - case closed, it's notable. Blythwood (talk) 21:33, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:ITSNOTABLE — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:23, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Blythwood: probably meant notable per above reasoning. —SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 03:39, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nordic Nightfury 07:48, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 22:53, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- Here's a sample blurb: "Streeter has written songs for Chris Brown, Ariana Grande and other stars. In 2013, she had a Top 40 hit with "It Won't Stop," a duet with Brown that reached Recording Industry Association of America gold status." ESPN. The song charted multiple times & reached a gold status; in a sea of cruft that are music-related articles on Wikipedia, this one really stands out. Here's a review of the song from Idolator. NPR is discussing this song:

In the spring of 2013, songwriter and R&B singer Sevyn Streeter released a song called "It Won't Stop," which she's called her "baby." Over the year and change that's followed, the song has sunk into our collective consciousness through commercial radio play and a music video viewed more than 35 million times, and on the recommendation of a growing group of critics and fans. The lyrics are vernacular, warm, unpretentious, while the performance demanded by the music is not for the meek. Away from a studio — and air conditioning — in a New Orleans boxing gym, Streeter executed with muscle and grace. link.

From the Billboard above:

Streeter’s breakthrough record, however, is clearly “It Won’t Stop,” featuring Brown. The lead single from the EP reaches a new peak of No. 9 on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and is currently in its fourth consecutive week atop the Mainstream R&B/Hip-Hop airplay chart. The infectious track sells 22,000 downloads (up 4%), sending it to a new peak (6-4) on R&B Digital Songs (viewable on billboard.biz). The track has now sold 254,000 since being released.

That's plenty for notability. I've added a few references to the article. It's a clear keep for me. K.e.coffman (talk) 17:38, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.