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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Israel Defense Forces using human shields

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Propaganda topic, and POV fork of Human rights in Israel Jayjg (talk) 03:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The very article you linked to links to yet another article, implying the need to collect the information on the topic one place. Its perfecly logic to creat a subarticle when there is a lot to write about it, and the issue covers several fields. --Striver 03:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I found a third article with a section about this topic. It makes perfect sense to collect all of the info into one article, rather than having part of it all over the place. --Striver 03:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is being suggested that the Gibson article be merged to his main article. Everyone should vote on that issue. --HResearcher 18:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No it isn't. I can go take a picture of an American kid sitting on a tank any day and then claim the US uses human shields. Or I could take a picture of a whole bunch of school kids boarding the USS Kittyhawk during a fieldtrip and then say the US uses human shields. --HResearcher 16:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
People need to learn what a WP:POVFORK is, before throwing the term around. --Striver 18:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please abide by WP:CIVIL and WP:NPOV. Conspiracy theories are not a good reason to Keep an article. Jayjg (talk) 18:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a conspiracy theory if it is being documented in mainstream media [[1]] [[2]] etc. Please abide by WP:CIVIL and WP:NPOV by not attacking me for disagreeing with you. Sarastro777 18:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Alleging that Wikipedia editors are "Israelis" and claiming that they are voting on AfDs at the behest of the government of Israel as part of some "massive propaganda operation" is indeed a conspiracy theory and a violation of WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. The issue here is not "disagreeing with you", it is your unwarranted attacks on editors here. Please apologize for doing so, and please make sure not to do it again. Jayjg (talk) 19:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, there are editors that are Israeli--fact. If it is uncivil to say so, then they are guilty of it for making it known from the information they disclose. To then turn that into an excuse to attack me is uncivil and a personal attack, especially marginalizing well-published facts as 'conspiracy theories.' Second, their government is using "hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists" to POV'ize info about Israel. I'm sorry you have a problem with reality, but it hardly entitles you to an apology. Sarastro777 20:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's all very convenient to be able to blame anything not going one's way on a massive Global Jewish Conspiracy (tm). It's also lazy thinking. Which is more likely: that a single anti-Israel user created a biased article in violation of the oft-violated POV fork policy, or that armies of trained Jews, at the behest of their Mossad masters, have descended on this page with the intent of erasing all that is critical of Israel? Schrodingers Mongoose 20:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What's more likely, that the Foreign Ministry is using "hundreds of thousands" of people to purposely slant articles on Israel, and Wikipedia has not been touched by the project? Or that perhaps one of the largest websites in the world, that is open to editing by all might be a target of the project? What reality are you living in? Accusations of POV are distraction arguments. All I see are verifiable (cited) reports of "Human Shield" events Israel has done on a relatively new article. I see people trying to get it deleted before it has even started. Sarastro777 21:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not aware of any of the voters on this AfD saying they are Israeli; perhaps you can say which ones do. Furthermore, the Megaphone tool you refer to was put out three weeks ago by the World Union of Jewish Students, not the Israeli Foreign Ministry - the editors here have been editing for many months or years. I'm giving you a final chance to apologize for claiming that editors here are stooges of the Israeli Foreign Ministry; otherwise, it will be clear you are unrepentant in your violations of WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. Jayjg (talk) 21:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"for claiming that editors here are stooges of the Israeli Foreign Ministry" -- I never did this, the statements made here are quite apparent. If you think you show someone how to be civil by trying to bully an apology out of them and mischaracterizing their statements, you are sadly mistaken. Sarastro777 21:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you did Sarastro. You said: "Most of the ridiculous delete arguments are made by Israelis and in line with a massive propaganda operation".[3] You really should step down. --HResearcher 16:18, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You obviously don't have a comprehension level high enough to understand the nuance/difference between the accusation and the actual statement. Sarastro777 06:19, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, whatever you say. But have you ever read WP:NPA? And again you were the one who wrote this. --HResearcher 10:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: Account was created 7 minutes before this vote, and this is its fourth edit. Jayjg (talk)
  • Note: Through what process did you ascertain this to be the same person? How can we independently verify your conclusions which at best can be based on circumstantial evidence of users sharing an IP address? Sarastro777 20:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom Elizmr 18:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete, it's a POV fork. I agree with John that it is conceivabl for this not to be a POV fork, but then it would be a content fork and in this case a content fork is not justified. My point is that we shouln´t have an article on every topic a few editors want to write about. This is not a blog. There should be a series about Israel and the Israeli-Palstinian conflict as well as specific wars including th current one in Lebannon. And these articles should be as comprehensive as an encyclopedia article could be. Any valid material in this article is better suited in another article that will provide more context and NPOV. User:Slrubenstein — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.100.35.28 (talk • contribs)
  • Comment, well, you deleted Problem-reaction-solution arguing there is no mainstream sources. Is BBS a mainstream source? It has a headline named "Israelis accused of 'human shields' tactic". If that does not cut it, then i am seriously dismayed in the face of wikipedias west-central bias.--Striver 19:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Wikipedia is not a platform for propaganda. Pecher Talk 09:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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