Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Internet identity in research and education

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete/userfy. I have moved the page to User:Kjklingenstein/Internet identity in research and education. Steve Smith (talk) 06:15, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Internet identity in research and education

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While the article does have some minimal sourcing, this appears to be a case of WP:OR. There are tons of uncited assertions, and most of the article seems to be a case of WP:SYNTH. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:47, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Seems to be a fork of Online identity. Any difference is as the nominator suggests grossly WP:OR and WP:SYNTH.PRehse (talk) 14:03, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 14:12, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify. The author of the article is a distinguished academic and this could have the makings of a good article but it would need to be fundamentally rewritten. At the moment it is the personal essay of the author and fails WP:NOTESSAY. I have looked hard to see if it is published elsewhere but I cannot find anything. This is the editor's first contribution to Wikipedia and their future contributions are welcome; it would be a shame to deter them. I suggest it is draftified so that the author and potentially others can improve it. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 15:11, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the comments and am most willing to improve the article, as suggested in the draftify note above. I am unsure, as a new participant, how that improvement process happens. I would note that part of the challenge in improving it are the existence of related Wikipedia articles that are, imho, not appropriately titled. For example the online identity article references as a possible fork point is focused solely on social identity, not the other forms of online identity, such as the Wikipedia articles on federated identity and PKI. The use cases in the online identity article are a small subset of the may used of Internet identity. If a broader restructuring of this content in Wikipedia is warranted, I would be glad to participate and am somewhat knowledgeable, as noted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjklingenstein (talk • contribs) 00:49, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Kjklingenstein: I think digital Identity and federated identity are probably better articles to expand with some of your content. They need a good clean up too, though. The key things you'll need to do are to provide citations for more of your content, and to remove anything that is opinion, original research, or based on your personal experiences, since those things aren't verifiable, one of the cornerstones of Wikipedia. You can start making those changes now, you don't have to await the outcome of this review. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 21:32, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the direction. I have started to add more citations to the article. Are citations to other articles in Wikipedia more or less valuable than citations to sources outside Wikipedia? I agree that much of this material could go in the federated identity article, but as curb safe charmer noted, it needs lots of cleanup. Can I just begin working on that article or is there a protocol to follow. Thanks. - kjklingenstein — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjklingenstein (talk • contribs) 01:42, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Kjklingenstein: I've reverted the citations you added that were based on other Wikipedia articles, as they aren't considered to be a reliable source. That's because anyone may have edited them and added incorrect information. Please see WP:NOTSOURCE. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 17:46, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Kjklingenstein: you can work on the federated identity article now. Don't forget to add citations to statements you add to it. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 17:49, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kirbanzo (talk) 15:34, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Userfy per author's request. Note to discussion participants: this venue is about deletion, and not about sourcing improvements and whatnot. wumbolo ^^^ 13:34, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- reading this, my first though was, this is an essay. so WP:NOTESSAY applies here.--Rusf10 (talk) 03:31, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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