Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History of present-day nations and states
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. John254 00:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- History of present-day nations and states (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
Absolutely redundant: category:History by continent category:History by country exists. `'Míkka>t 03:52, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I don't see a parallel article that lists all of these articles. history by continent lists links to the histories of the respective continents, not their constituent countries. category: History by country has enough subcategories to make it much more difficult to weave through the history of [country] articles. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 04:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I fail to see what's so difficult. Each [[:category: History of <XXXcountry>]] includes [[History of <XXXcountry>]] as well as any other useful artices, and it is even more useful than the list in quesiton. `'Míkka>t 05:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It's more clicking. It seems to me that the convenience of having the list all on one page outweighs the redundancy. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 06:06, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep. History by country is a category. This is a list. Categories do not replace lists. Lists are easier to navigate than categories. Strong keep per WP:CLN. "Developers of these redundant systems should not compete against each other in a destructive manner, such as by nominating the work of their competitors to be deleted because they overlap. Doing so may disrupt browsing by users who prefer the list system. Also, lists may be enhanced with features not available to categories, but building a rudimentary list of links is a necessary first step in the construction of an enhanced list -- deleting link lists wastes these building blocks, and unnecessarily pressures list builders into providing a larger initial commitment of effort whenever they wish to create a new list, which may be felt as a disincentive."Celarnor Talk to me 06:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep No substantive reason to delete is provided. Colonel Warden (talk) 07:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This seems to be an entirely inoffensive article, and there's no reason we shouldn't have both categories and lists for this kind of high-level topic. --Nick Dowling (talk) 09:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This is a good grouping of countries in case someone needs to use it. There are links to a lot of information, and the reason for deletion isn't strong enough.
- Keep This list is really helpful, and much more convenient than a category. Also the nomination is not properly argued in the first place. Richard75 (talk) 16:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- comment. Frankly, I am baffled. How on Earth it can be helpful??? If I want to find an article about History of Madagascar, I just type "History of Madagascar". Why would I want to go into this page (and how do I know it exists) and then click on the link there???? Well. If you want it, keep it. Harmless. Only waste of space and maintenance effort IMO. `'Míkka>t 01:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You went to the page. You know it exists. You nominated it for deletion. I think you just answered your own question :) --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Should we take this as a withdrawal of your nomination, Mikka? — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 02:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This smells like IDONTLIKEIT. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean that other people don't. It is useful for browsing the "History of Foo" articles. Celarnor Talk to me 01:51, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You went to the page. You know it exists. You nominated it for deletion. I think you just answered your own question :) --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per WP:CLN. (Note to Mikka: Some people like to browse, and lists are very useful for browsing. You can't really browse by typing in text.) Klausness (talk) 18:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.