Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/High throughput satellite
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Discussion of how the article can be improved can and should be discussed on its talk page. Beeblebrox (talk) 08:04, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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I do not believe the concept has sufficient long-term notability to justify an article - it is just an industry buzzword which will probably be forgotten as satellite capacities continue to rise.
The article could be merged - and indeed I have already proposed this, but having re-read the article it seems to have OR problems, and be somewhat lacking in third-party content and references, so there isn't much that could actually be merged, and the author's WP:OWN issues would complicate the merger process, so deletion may be a better option. W. D. Graham 06:59, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 09:01, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 09:03, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I - in line with countless sources on the Internet(e.g. this) - believe HTS - which by the way are not a concept but reality with about a dozen satellites in orbit - will have sufficient long-term notability. It is not a buzzword and despite WDGraham still hasn't understood it, HTS is not about capacity only, but about the range of applications which in contrast to traditional satellites are focussed on point-to-point services (broadband access for consumers) rather than broadcasting. WDGraham's proposal to merge this article with Fixed Service Satellite is as if someone proposed to merge the article about TV with that about cinemas. Also I consider it appropriate to categorize all HTS and therefore have already created a corresponing category which should also have a main article, which is another reason why this separate article about HTS is justified. --Cvdr (talk) 13:40, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Also WDGraham's argument of my alleged ownership of the article and the resulting need to delete it is far from reaasonable. If all articles that have been started by a single author would be deleted just because nobody else has contributed to it for two three days, Wikipedia wouldn't be able to develop. AlsoWDGraham did not make any good attempt to communicate with me, obviously hasn't read the article or at least hasn't understood it and out of his limited understanding litter it up with senseless "citation required" tags. --Cvdr (talk) 14:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not saying it should be deleted because you are the only author. I considered it to be a borderline case between merger and deletion, and my initial inclination was to cleanup and merge. Your abject refusal to cite disputed statements (and claiming that I was "vandalising" the article by requesting citations) led me to decide that it was not worth my effort since you were being protective of your work, which is why I suggested that deletion would be better than a merger. I did attempt discussion, you ignored it. This is not a case of misunderstanding, or not reading the article: no matter how well an article is written, all statements must be sourced. If you do find sources, then it might be possible to merge this into FSS or another appropriate article, or keep it if notability can be demonstrated. I still don't think this is notable enough to warrant an article, and we can always recreate it in a few years if I am wrong. --W. D. Graham 16:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- This article contains far more citations than most other articles. I've explained to you that High Throughput Satellites are definied by a couple of criteria which are all listed in the article, so anybody can simply check that the listed satellites match these criteria by a click on the link to the corresponding article. In such evident cases it is not necessary to provide citations. Also you required citations for satellites like the ViaSat-1 being a HTS although the text above mentions it as such including a citation. If you start correcting articles you are obliged to do this throughly which you obviously didn't as you haven't read or understood at least parts of the short. Instead you have put in question every single word. This represents a form of vandalism. --Cvdr (talk) 18:18, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Also there are two good reasons why not to merge this article with Fixed Service Satellite:
- HTS mostly operate on the Ka band while according to the FSS article "FSSs operate in either the C band (from 3.7 to 4.2 GHz) or the FSS Ku bands (from 11.45 to 11.7 and 12.5 to 12.75 GHz in Europe, and 11.7 to 12.2 GHz in the United States)."
- Further according to the paragraph FSS and the rest of the world the term FSS refers to satellites with a lower transmission power than so-called DBS-class satellites. Could you provide a citation which confirms that HTS' power output level corresponds to that of FSS?
- --Cvdr (talk) 19:35, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not saying it should be deleted because you are the only author. I considered it to be a borderline case between merger and deletion, and my initial inclination was to cleanup and merge. Your abject refusal to cite disputed statements (and claiming that I was "vandalising" the article by requesting citations) led me to decide that it was not worth my effort since you were being protective of your work, which is why I suggested that deletion would be better than a merger. I did attempt discussion, you ignored it. This is not a case of misunderstanding, or not reading the article: no matter how well an article is written, all statements must be sourced. If you do find sources, then it might be possible to merge this into FSS or another appropriate article, or keep it if notability can be demonstrated. I still don't think this is notable enough to warrant an article, and we can always recreate it in a few years if I am wrong. --W. D. Graham 16:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Also WDGraham's argument of my alleged ownership of the article and the resulting need to delete it is far from reaasonable. If all articles that have been started by a single author would be deleted just because nobody else has contributed to it for two three days, Wikipedia wouldn't be able to develop. AlsoWDGraham did not make any good attempt to communicate with me, obviously hasn't read the article or at least hasn't understood it and out of his limited understanding litter it up with senseless "citation required" tags. --Cvdr (talk) 14:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 02:46, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and improve – This article has been expanded considerably since it's very recent creation on 19 July 2012. Conversely, Fixed Service Satellite is rather static, with no significant improvements recently. Keep per WP:PRESERVE. Northamerica1000(talk) 12:41, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:54, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to Communications satellite. No need for a seperate article at this time, and it smells promotional in its current state. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:56, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Notability established by article's references. Merge may improve organization of satellite topics but we discussion deletion here, not merges. WP:OWN and other disputes between editors also don't belong here. Try WP:RFC. --Kvng (talk) 04:01, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.