Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HexD

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The result was delete. Modussiccandi (talk) 11:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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non-notable genre that hasn't received any traction or significant coverage outside of bandcamp blogs and a few passing mentions elsewhere. CUPIDICAE💕 15:31, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The genre is being discussed on social media, Reddit, etc., but it has not reached WP:Reliable sources. Fails WP:GNG. Binksternet (talk) 15:41, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Personally i think this has a good chance of passing our coverage thresholds in the future, but for now it's as you said. YuriNikolai (talk) 19:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Internet. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 15:51, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment* If this is not notable enough for its own page, is there anywhere we can put this genre somewhere on the wiki, such as a section on a page? Pyraminxsolver (talk) 00:07, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Another comment, I found this source that talks about the genre, https://www.complex.com/pigeons-and-planes/2020/08/glitchcore-surge-rap-soundcloud — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraminxsolver (talk • contribs) 00:09, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm leaning towards Keep, because I have started the Draft about Plugg (another trap subgenre), and while looking for sources for plugg I was coming across decent posts about hexd (off the top of my head one of them was called "Guide to Soundcloud's Demonic Underground"). Another thing is that some other user tried to edit my draft abot plugg too but, confusingly, he started to write about hexd there, so I had to delete his contributions. Needless to say he had another decent source that was describing this hexd genre. Bandcamp specials are also usually pretty detailed, so that's why I suppose the main concern with the article is laziness of the creator rather than insufficient notability.

Another thing that may be useful to explore while looking for good sources for this hexd subgenre is that it is known by at least two other names, namely surge and sigilkore. Sigilkore has it's own dedicated descriptive sources mentioning bitcrushing and all that stuff.

The issue is the authoring. If the author of this article is unwilling to work more on it, it's probably going to get deleted as a lazy attempt. I have no interest in hexd right now to improve it as well. The issue I am concerned with is I suspect topic has significant coverage yet poor presentation. And I am unsure whether it would be allowed to re-create this article with more sources later when it gets deleted now? So, weak keepPDDisPDDat (talk) 03:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the special about "soundcloud demonic underworld" outlining the current wave of soundcloud rappers, also touching those in "hyperpop" and "hexd" categories:

https://www.passionweiss.com/2021/01/14/a-guide-to-soundclouds-demonic-underworld/ PDDisPDDat (talk) 13:09, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Sources on sigilkore:

https://retronicotine.medium.com/sigilkore-syve-a-deep-dive-into-a-new-genre-and-artist-94bee688874f
https://nobells.blog/soundcloud-microgenres/ (a somewhat-condescending overview of the current soundcloud scene, including sigilkore).
https://mutepresence.com/notes-on-my-grandpa-dying-vol-i-hexd-magick-and-cosmopolitan-intimacy/ (some extremely weird elitist type of journalism that can hardly be used as a source, but among the lines of its pompous wording it seems to tell the history of hexd in peculiar detail, sigilkore included)

Weird thing is that all these teens right now are are basically making hexxed glitched hyper-electronic trap about how hard they are but every one of them calls it their own name. Like, you would probably find no difference between hexd and sigil sound-wise and aesthetics-wise, but these labels are used by different soundcloud-to-bandcamp producers claiming that their thing is unlike anything else. It doesn't help that journalists desribing the said "genres" are falling for it and categorizing them as separate entities (tongue-in-cheek, even though even they acknowledge that all these "genres" are basically the same genre, referring to the No Bells Soundcloud special)

For instance, googling for "sigilkore hexd" bring up the situation I described. The same type of music goes by million names, among them hexd, sigilkore, surge, hexmusic, crushed, glitchcore and what else. It's natural that the journalists usually pick one or else this would be daunting to list all these names upon every mention PDDisPDDat (talk) 13:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I feel like this genre has become notable enough for it to have its own page. There have been hundreds of releases under it and I don't see why it's not noteworthy. 58.170.69.160 (talk) 04:34, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Because it needs to meet the criteria described in Wikipedia:Notability (music) or WP:GNG, which doesn't take into account total number of releases. -Lopifalko (talk) 12:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Maybe the content could be merged to SoundCloud rap or trap music (or EDM trap) per the Complex source from Pyraminxsolver which discusses the genre as a new generation of SoundCloud music and describes it as "a sort of lo-fi trap sound" (also note that another name for the genre is "crushed trap" according to Complex). Alduin2000 (talk) 12:53, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Soundcloud rap is a better destination, in my opinion. Trap is still very much a street black genre and suddenly including hexd as a subsection is going to frankensteinize the trap article. EDM trap is a very distant (both in time and in scenes overlap) phenomenon in regards to hexd. PDDisPDDat (talk) 13:03, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Hyperpop would be an even better destination for the merging. But those familiar with hyperpop should probably voice their opinion as I am not an expert in either of the two. PDDisPDDat (talk) 13:12, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: to come to consensus on a merger destination
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 18:26, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - complete failure of the WP:GNG. Actually rather surprised this was relisted, as the keep arguments have failed to cite any valid, policy based rationale. Sergecross73 msg me 00:53, 18 March 2022 (UTC).[reply]
Merge to Mumble rap#SoundCloud rap scene: Per PDDisPDDat. The genre is closely associated with SoundCloud rap. ASTIG️🙃 _{(ICE-T • ICE CUBE)} 17:20, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV. A merge to mumble rap may be problematic per WP:UNDUE and WP:OR.4meter4 (talk) 11:46, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Clear failure to meet WP:GNG. Blogs are not reliable sources, and that's all we have here. Pilaz (talk) 19:14, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (or Draftify). Fails WP:GNG, but if it is felt achieving GNG is near, Draftify. Springnuts (talk) 11:18, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the only passable source (kinda) in my opinion is https://noisefirst.com/voice-producers-anthony1-and-exodia-are-bringing-back-trance-on-up-coming-label-dismiss-yourself/. Otherwise fails GNG Rlink2 (talk) 12:19, 26 March 2022 (UTC)#[reply]

Delete Not linked to any other article and surely you would be some artiste's bios having some mention of it. It would be sub-sub-sub-genre that is invisible in the naked light. Perhaps if its still going in a couple of years and there more links it could be recreated. scope_creep^Talk 13:40, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Seems reasonable to merge it to Mumble rap#SoundCloud rap scene if not deleted and assuming a couple or three can be found. If somebody went to length of creating the article there must be quite a big group associated with it. scope_creep^Talk 14:08, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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