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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Any moving should be handled outside this VfD's scope. JYolkowski // talk 16:58, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hen which lays Golden Eggs

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Not complete nonsense, but not far off. The title is the author's own invention, is not at all notable, and all the material in it is covered elsewhere.
Also see Hen that lays golden eggs, a redirect included in this nomination. 80.255 02:12, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So if the story can be 100% attributed to Aesop, maybe a redirect to that article? Hamster Sandwich 07:13, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to The Goose that Laid the Golden Eggs. Alf 08:55, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Golden Goose exists. Pilatus 12:32, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, The article is based on an actual cryptid that can be found in the See also references. It bears importance in the occult and cryptozoology. Note that it is not the same thing as the Golden Goose or The Goose that Laid the Golden Egg. Perhaps they can be combined. Piecraft 13:49, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment this user has made a total of 21 edits, only 4 of which have been in article spaces, and the earliest of which was from earlier today (21st August). Given this, this user's vote may be invalid. 80.255 18:33, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I find the above comment to be invalid in itself. I do not see how it is wrong to vote for an article whether I am a registered member or not, regardless as to which articles I have edited either anonymously or as a registered person throughout my time here. And I think the rules speak for themselves: Anyone can contribute to the discussion and vote, anonymous users as well as pseudonymous users. A direct quote from the Guide to Votes for deletion. Piecraft 02:09, 22 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I didn't say your vote was invalid; I said it may be invalid; the decision is not mine. It's usually granted that the author, even if anonymous, has the right to a vote on an article he created. However, in your case, you do not appear to be the author and some might consider you a sock puppet. 80.255 01:43, 22 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I see what you mean now, however I was merely pointing out in my initial comment that the author's article is valid because I myself know for a fact that it is based on actual literature regarding a Hen that lays golden eggs - which has been considered a phenomenon in medieval folklore across Europe as well as a running theme in many fairy tales and stories. Also the Hen or Black Pullet is of considerable importance in the occult as a powerful image. Anyway, I still move to keep this article but perhaps rename it or even combine it with the The Goose that Laid the Golden Egg. which could therefore be expanded as well with this article included. Piecraft 03:52, 22 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, interesting theme across several important stories, and a common phrase in the culture ("killing the goose with the golden eggs"). Move to a better title, at least in line wine naming conventions. Christopher Parham (talk) 16:27, 2005 August 21 (UTC)
  • Move as per everyone else. ~~ N (t/c) 21:24, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move agreed with the above stated. Vipersp51 1:54, 2005 August 21 (UTC)
  • Goose? I'm pretty sure the fairy tale is about a hen. Radiant_>|< 10:17, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
    • It is most definitely a goose. Move as per etc etc. Proto t c 09:30, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment: It is a goose - so who's going to search for a hen? What use is a redirect? Should we also have unsystematicly-named articles on Partriges that lay golden eggs, Ptarmigan which lay golden eggs, the Albatross that did lay an egg that was golden?
      • Comment: So let's see according to your statement above we count the number of times that the Gooose appears in folklore (Aesop's The Goose That Laid the Golden Eggs which has been sometimes considered a Hen as you can see by Googling it, and The Brothers Grimm's The Golden Goose). Now how many times does the Hen feature in folklore and other affiliated themes? (The Black Pullet, the Russian fairy tale Kurochka Ryaba as stated below and Jack and the Beanstalk, and that's not even mentioning the fact that it is also used as an Alchemical term.) So I guess it's 3-2 for the Hen so far. Also this Hen comes up in other fairy tales as well. However as stated before I feel it should perhaps be placed, moved into a category where the Goose, Hen and other fowls that lay golden eggs can be located etc.. Piecraft 20:56, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • "Goose" is more common in English, which is what matters. ~~ N (t/c) 22:42, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • How do you figure that? I think I've provided more than enough evidence to prove against your belief that "Goose" is more common than "Hen". What you are forgetting is I'm not contesting against the fact of it being a Goose or not, but the fact remains there is still a considerable difference between both creatures, one is a Goose the other is a Hen - and in both respects we have seen that they are described as such in their respective folklore. I'll leave it at that. Piecraft 23:01, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • If there exist a notable Russian fairy tale as stated below on this subject, it should be dealt with at Kurochka Ryaba, and not in this article. This article contains nothing about any Russian folk tale, and my vote remains to delete it - if you or anyone else should decide to create a better article about this story in the future, there will be nothing to stop you. 80.255 23:10, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Russian fairy tale Kurochka Ryaba is just about that kind of hen.  Grue  18:32, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Derktar 01:04, August 25, 2005 (UTC).
  • I've checked it; there is a Dutch fairy tale about a hen with golden eggs. This may well be the same as the Russian tale, or it may be the same as the English one about the goose with a centuries-old mistranslation either way. So this should redirect some place, I'll let the experts figure out where. Radiant_>|< 09:39, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
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