Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gyroscope (Demo)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Not too clear consensus for deletion here, but there is solid consensus on Wikipedia at large that, in the absence of clear evidence of substantial coverage, demos are considered non-notable by default. Refs brought up in the AfD are trivial mentions, thus unsatisfactory. --PeaceNT (talk) 05:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gyroscope (Demo)

This demo album fails WP:MUSIC#Albums; the links in the references section do not contain substantial coverage of the subject. PROD was contested with comment: "Deleted prod as the recording is produced by a notable band - in fact is the first recording released by Gyroscope (satisfies Wikipedia:MUSIC#Albums)" This is, I think, a misinterpretation of the guideline. B. Wolterding (talk) 17:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-notable demo tape.--Michig (talk) 20:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails notability per WP:MUSIC#Albums. Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 02:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, the first recording of a notable band is notable in its own right. Dan arndt (talk) 02:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep well sourced and notable WAtoday.com is a reliable media company, The Age nationally avaiable newspaper, 78 Records long time Perth music industry institution, and APRA is the Australian body of International Confederation of Societies of Authors and Composers. All of these sources are independent of the subject and the media sources have editorial oversight. Gnan garra 04:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, i will vote to keep if there can be some kind of notability written, those links just mention the demo in one sentence, as it should in the Gyroscope article. If not, then i'm for deletion. kiac (talk) 06:06, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, because it fails WP:MUSIC#Albums.
Dan, the first demo of a band is *not* inherently notable, WP:MUSIC#Albums explicitly says that "Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only, and unreleased albums are in general not notable; however, they may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources."
Gnan, the sources are reliable, but they hardly mention the album/demo at all. E.g. WAtoday.com only says that "their first two releases were homemade cassette tapes", and The Age says "their first two releases were cassette-only affairs in 1997 and 1998 that both sold all 500 copies made" (which is not even quite congruent with the article). That's it, and that's not enough to establish notability.
--Amalthea^Talk 12:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete none of the sources demonstrate any notability for this demo, all mentions are trivial. notable and reliable sources do not equal notability. The subject of articles need to be notable themselves. Demos are not inherently notable like official releases. Duffbeerforme (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 16:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, come to my own conclusion now, i've added a line (that's pretty much all that was needed) into the article, Gyroscope (band)#Early years. kiac (talk) 05:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - My gut says to keep such a well-sourced, well-formatted, good-looking article (WP:V is satisfied after all, and WP:NPOV too). But Amalthea makes a strong argument. I guess I just don't see the harm. -FrankTobia (talk) 07:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notablity of the demo can be established by a quote from Gyroscope's allmusic entry at Gyroscope overview to wit: "Within a year, the band had a demo to push, and were playing as many shows as possible to build up their following." The demo provided impetus for the group to continue their career - this makes it notable in my books.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That's not what Wikipedia's notability criteria define as notable. If the demo is relevant to the band's history, it should be mentioned in the band article. But an article about the demo as such is only warranted if there is substantial independent coverage about the demo. The allmusic entry, however, mentions the demo only in passing. --B. Wolterding (talk) 15:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.