Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Griffon (framework)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. MBisanz ^talk 02:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Griffon (framework)

This article lacks reliable sources verifying that the software it describes meets the notability criteria. Prod removed by creator without the addition of the needed sources. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:52, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added sources to article, i hope this is enough to keep the interest on the article :

First release announcement (Blog)
Project Homepage
Griffon and Greet: Starting to get Groovy
Article by Guillaume Laforge (Project Lead of the Groovy Language) : Griffon shows its claws: Grails-like rich Swing client framework released
Articles in DZone : Getting Started with Swing MVC Development on Griffon, Griffon: Grails-like Framework for Swing
Articles in JRoller : Revisiting the hidden threading rule, Griffon takes flight
Article by a technical writer in the NetBeans Docs team at Sun_Microsystems: Notes on Converting NetBeans Grails Support to NetBeans Griffon Support —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanari (talk • contribs) 13:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is some sort of non-consumer commercial product apparently geared to the needs of people who supervise computer programmers. This sort of thing needs to be noticed by people outside the programming industry, and the supplied references do not really show that. The puzzling lede is almost entirely free from context, and it isn't until fairly deep into the article that you get a sense as to what this is about. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree that Griffon is a commercial product, it's a pure open source project, hosted at http://codehaus.org/, anyone can freely grab and browse its source code from here http://fisheye.codehaus.org/browse/groovy/trunk/groovy/modules/griffon/ (as long as she/he agrees to the apache 2.0 license (which is OSI approved) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanari (talk • contribs) 02:11, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The only relevant standard here is notoriety. It is as relevant to the average wikipedian as Grails (Framework) and Ruby_on_Rails. As pointed out by Wanari it is also not a commercial product, none of the involved people have made a dime on it and they have no current commercial interest in it's success. To support the notoriety claim I point to Geertjan's two articles (Geertjan is in no way affiliated with Griffon) and [| this article].--Shemnon (talk) 01:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.