Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ginrai

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:36, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ginrai

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The subject here has shown no importance beyond the corresponding show and comes off as a mere footnote in the franchise's history. The stuff mentioned that would qualify as development really proteins to the show itself and is nothing but an overly detailed biography and toylist. The later constitutes as fancruft. The article should be deleted and it's contents be move to the relevant articles Transformers: Chojin Masterforce main article and character list.

Also, I'd like to point out here that a deletion is not a death sentence. Also this is not a voting process, as Wikipedia is not a democracy. At anytime after, if more critical coverage can be brought to light regarding the character that show the character's real world impact. Then a new article can be created, but not before. So as it stands I feel that this should be a delete. Sarujo (talk) 21:12, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Delete or merge not notable outside this particular show to deserve a solo article. Dwanyewest (talk) 23:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - If the article is deleted, then it's page history will be gone, and any paste-merged content would be un-credited due to the lack of source page. NotARealWord (talk) 00:58, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Admins can resurrect deleted articles as the history isn't truly gone. Only to the common editors. Sarujo (talk) 01:33, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Non-notable Transformer. Lack of reliable, independent sources means article fails GNG. Skinny87 (talk) 07:03, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This is the star of the Masterforce anime. Problem with finding too many sources is that it wasn't translated into english often, and when it was he was called "Optimus Prime" (you may notice the resemblence!), but they are out there. They article has some references, even if certain editors choose to ignore them. Mathewignash (talk) 13:49, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Only two or three of the actual sources seem to be even approaching reliability, and I'm unsure even then - they seem like fan publications. Can you prove how they're WP:RS? Regardless, I don't think they confer independent notability; they're only used to cite the toys of the character, and fail to show how it is notable in any way. Skinny87 (talk) 20:04, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Check out he DVD review of Transformers: Victory reference. It goes into detail about Ginrai's origin from Masterforce and how he changed for the Victory series. Mathewignash (talk) 21:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But what makes that a Reliable Source for the article? It would seem to be a dvd review website that doesn't qualify to be a reliable source for this article. Skinny87 (talk) 21:12, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, it would appear to be a Self-Published Source with no editorial oversight, and thus is not an independent reliable source. Skinny87 (talk) 21:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If he's important to that series, then he should be written about in that series' article or character list. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 00:01, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Lack of reliable secondary sources makes this Go-bot a mere footnote in the annals of the history of things that more than meet the eye. Donald Schroeder JWH018 (talk) 21:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The above vote was made by a banned sock puppet and should be ignored. Mathewignash (talk) 08:26, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - More fanboy-cruft to sift though. Game guides, toy guides, fan forums and the like are not reliable sources sufficient to pass the WP:GNG. Tarc (talk) 01:26, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I can't find any reliable sources discussing this subject. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 00:01, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Principal character of the Masterforce series. Also has several toy incarnations. --Polaron | Talk 18:13, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Main character in a notable series, and featured in various toylines. Dream Focus 14:42, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG, where are the reliable sources? --Cameron Scott (talk) 18:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Full articles are appropriate for key characters, & there are sources. DGG ( talk ) 01:35, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Reliable info to List of Transformers: Chojin Masterforce characters. If this article is to be deleted it should at the very least have a redirect to that page. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.