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Does not seem to be notable. Kinkly looks like a healthline-like site, i.e. unreliable. The Guardian article doesn't mention this and isn't even about it. A search on google scholar shows only passing mentions and unreliable sources. A search on google news does not bring up significant reliable coverage either. KnowDeath (talk) 00:48, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The previous discussion on this contains no convincing arguments in favour of keeping. KnowDeath (talk) 00:51, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - WP:INDISCRIMINATE: Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. This is not merely mentioning that this practice exists. This is a mini-instruction guideline with explicit instructions and images of how to do this. — Maile (talk) 02:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:33, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The topic of the article is important and noteworthy from a sexual, medical and perhaps historical point of view. Although the article basically does not refer to this content well, a Google Books search can list many sources. However, unsourced content and unhelpful images should be removed.

Edard Socceryg (talk) 00:42, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The topic of the article is important and noteworthy from a sexual, medical and perhaps historical point of view

How? I couldn't find anything that corroborates this and you haven't provided anything either.

a Google Books search can list many sources

All the books I can see are erotica or written by somebody who isn't an academic expert. KnowDeath (talk) 02:49, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - this is a fairly minor topic within BDSM and kink. Most of this short article is unsourced and the sources available look poor, giving little likelihood of improvement in the future. -- Polly Tunnel (talk) 12:38, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 04:23, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I had thought deletion was the answer, but my own searches convinced me otherwise.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

References

^ Chadwick, Sara B.; van Anders, Sari M. (January 2022). "Orgasm Coercion: Overlaps Between Pressuring Someone to Orgasm and Sexual Coercion". Archives of Sexual Behavior. 51 (1): 633–651. doi:10.1007/s10508-021-02156-9.
^ Chadwick, Sara B.; Grower, Petal; van Anders, Sari M. (December 2022). "Coercive Sexual Experiences that Include Orgasm Predict Negative Psychological, Relationship, and Sexual Outcomes". Journal of Interpersonal Violence. 37 (23–24): NP22199 – NP22225. doi:10.1177/08862605211073109.
^ Chadwick, Sara B; van Anders, Sari M. (2 January 2023). "What happens when people refuse to go along with orgasm coercion? An assessment of refusal strategies, perpetrators' subsequent reactions, and relationship and psychological outcomes". Psychology & Sexuality. 14 (1): 94–113. doi:10.1080/19419899.2022.2060130.
^ Levin, Roy J.; van Berlo, Willy (April 2004). "Sexual arousal and orgasm in subjects who experience forced or non-consensual sexual stimulation – a review". Journal of Clinical Forensic Medicine. 11 (2): 82–88. doi:10.1016/j.jcfm.2003.10.008.

Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 13:15, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These are about a different topic, they are not about the BDSM activity. KnowDeath (talk) 21:44, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The topic of this article ("forced orgasms" as a kink or unconventional consensual sexual practice) appears to be unrelated to what Goldsztajn's sources say, which are about orgasms that are "forced" in the context of conventional (not kinky) sex, or in the context of nonconsensual sex (i.e. rape). I can't see anything in the article that could be substantiated by these sources, at least judging by their abstracts. The article needs deletion as unverifiable or at least not notable on the basis of currently produced sources. Goldsztajn's sources could be used in the article about orgasm instead. Sandstein 18:12, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are two different topics that are covered by this subject - coerced, non-consenual sexual activity which produces an orgasm and consensual, play sexual activity that mimics coercion and produces an orgasm. I've already provided sourcing on the former, there is sourcing on the latter.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

References

^ Monteiro Pascoal, Patrícia; Cardoso, Daniel; Henriques, Rui (1 April 2015). "Sexual Satisfaction and Distress in Sexual Functioning in a Sample of the BDSM Community: A Comparison Study Between BDSM and Non-BDSM Contexts". The Journal of Sexual Medicine. 12 (4): 1052–1061. doi:10.1111/jsm.12835. There are several ways through which BDSM practices can divert distress away from concerns about sexual functioning, namely an emphasis on practices that require a good display of nongenital technical skills (e.g., flogging, bondage, needle play) and that produce sexual responses on their partners, or contexts where coitus is not even an option, and/or where typical anxiogenic markers of sexual function (such as not having an erection) are positively valued and even fundamental to the role play (e.g., male chastity belts, Cock and Ball Torture [CBT], cock humiliation, forced orgasm)
^ Sayın H, Ümit (6 August 2019). "DSM Controversies, Defining the Normal and the Paraphilia: Sexual Pleasure Objects, Fantasy, Variations, Soft-BDSM, ESR, Hypersexuality, Sex Addiction and Nymphomania". Forensic Science & Addiction Research. 5 (1). doi:10.31031/FSAR.2019.05.000608.
^ Greenberg, Arielle (2023). Superfreaks: Kink, Pleasure, and the Pursuit of Happiness. New York: Beacon Press. p. 93. ISBN 9780807020227.
^ Torre, Sofia (9 April 2021). "Critica della vittima masochista: Il caso di "Public Disgrace"". Whatever. A Transdisciplinary Journal of Queer Theories and Studies. 4 (1). doi:10.13131/2611-657X.whatever.v4i1.122. Il suo agire sottomettendosi alle pratiche che le vengono imposte (forced orgasms; double penetration; face-slapping; spanking e bukkake) è in grado di condizionare il contesto e di caratterizzare l'intera scena: l'at-tenzione del pubblico, sia quello performante che quello a cui è rivolto il prodotto finale, è incentrata su di lei.

FWIW, I disagree with the characterisation "nonconsensual sex (i.e. rape)", nonconsensual sex is synonymous with sexual assault, rather than rape. Rape is a relic of criminal law that for far too long lawfully excused sexual assault where penetration could not be proven. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 12:51, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article is (ostensibly) about the second topic, not the first. The sources cited above do not persuade me - to the extent I can access them, they merely mention "forced orgasms" among several other sexual practices, rather than describe what they are. This is not the sort of in-depth coverage we need to write a reliable article and to make the topic notable. Sandstein 18:54, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Sandstein, I would not consider this significant coverage, they are just mentions of the term. Additionally, Arielle Greenberg does not seem to be an academic expert in sexology or psychology; and the publisher of the book, Beacon Press, is literally blacklisted on Wikipedia. KnowDeath (talk) 00:39, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the blacklisting might not be relevant. KnowDeath (talk) 00:46, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 15:45, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Weak) Merge if there are no reliable sources for this are as thin as what @KnowDeath says, then I would say merge it with Bdsm or any other related articles, but if what @Goldsztajn said is true, and there is actually more reliable sources then please just entirely ignore my post, because then that gets into whether or not its a notable subject and i have no idea or interest in particiapting in that discussion.

AssanEcho (talk) 21:01, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Chadwick, Sara B.; van Anders, Sari M. (January 2022). "Orgasm Coercion: Overlaps Between Pressuring Someone to Orgasm and Sexual Coercion". Archives of Sexual Behavior. 51 (1): 633–651. doi:10.1007/s10508-021-02156-9.

[2] Chadwick, Sara B.; Grower, Petal; van Anders, Sari M. (December 2022). "Coercive Sexual Experiences that Include Orgasm Predict Negative Psychological, Relationship, and Sexual Outcomes". Journal of Interpersonal Violence. 37 (23–24): NP22199 – NP22225. doi:10.1177/08862605211073109.

[3] Chadwick, Sara B; van Anders, Sari M. (2 January 2023). "What happens when people refuse to go along with orgasm coercion? An assessment of refusal strategies, perpetrators' subsequent reactions, and relationship and psychological outcomes". Psychology & Sexuality. 14 (1): 94–113. doi:10.1080/19419899.2022.2060130.

[4] Levin, Roy J.; van Berlo, Willy (April 2004). "Sexual arousal and orgasm in subjects who experience forced or non-consensual sexual stimulation – a review". Journal of Clinical Forensic Medicine. 11 (2): 82–88. doi:10.1016/j.jcfm.2003.10.008.

[5] Monteiro Pascoal, Patrícia; Cardoso, Daniel; Henriques, Rui (1 April 2015). "Sexual Satisfaction and Distress in Sexual Functioning in a Sample of the BDSM Community: A Comparison Study Between BDSM and Non-BDSM Contexts". The Journal of Sexual Medicine. 12 (4): 1052–1061. doi:10.1111/jsm.12835. There are several ways through which BDSM practices can divert distress away from concerns about sexual functioning, namely an emphasis on practices that require a good display of nongenital technical skills (e.g., flogging, bondage, needle play) and that produce sexual responses on their partners, or contexts where coitus is not even an option, and/or where typical anxiogenic markers of sexual function (such as not having an erection) are positively valued and even fundamental to the role play (e.g., male chastity belts, Cock and Ball Torture [CBT], cock humiliation, forced orgasm)

[6] Sayın H, Ümit (6 August 2019). "DSM Controversies, Defining the Normal and the Paraphilia: Sexual Pleasure Objects, Fantasy, Variations, Soft-BDSM, ESR, Hypersexuality, Sex Addiction and Nymphomania". Forensic Science & Addiction Research. 5 (1). doi:10.31031/FSAR.2019.05.000608.

[7] Greenberg, Arielle (2023). Superfreaks: Kink, Pleasure, and the Pursuit of Happiness. New York: Beacon Press. p. 93. ISBN 9780807020227.

[8] Torre, Sofia (9 April 2021). "Critica della vittima masochista: Il caso di "Public Disgrace"". Whatever. A Transdisciplinary Journal of Queer Theories and Studies. 4 (1). doi:10.13131/2611-657X.whatever.v4i1.122. Il suo agire sottomettendosi alle pratiche che le vengono imposte (forced orgasms; double penetration; face-slapping; spanking e bukkake) è in grado di condizionare il contesto e di caratterizzare l'intera scena: l'at-tenzione del pubblico, sia quello performante che quello a cui è rivolto il prodotto finale, è incentrata su di lei.

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