Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Equals Three

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The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:40, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Equals Three

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Ray William Johnson is a phenomenon on Wikipedia, no doubt about it. His article has been deleted as A7 and at AFD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ray William Johnson) and subsequently as G4 so often, that it was salted. So now we are dealing with an article about his show and although I personally am more of an inclusionist, I fear there is no policy-based reason to keep this article as well. While his show might have a lot of subscribers, there is a lack of any substantial coverage in reliable sources.
I found only: two short paragraphs in a German newspaper, one article in Norsk and a bunch of "YouTube's most watched videos of the week" links on The Independent, which just lists most viewed videos. Most of those trivial mentions don't even mention the name of the show, as you can see by this and this GNews searches that include the show's name in the search.
We may reconsider Johnson himself as notable enough to warrant an article but I cannot find any coverage that would make his show be notable enough to meet the requirements of Wikipedia:Notability (web). Regards So Why 08:12, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom. Wow. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 08:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:29, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It seems to me that you have only been redeleting Ray William Johnson only because previous administrators did. Well now, he is second most-subscribed on YouTube, and that enough should warrant an article. Why would you have a page on anyone on this list and not the second most popular person on the site? At Wikipedia:Notability (people) , under "Entertainers" it lists these requirements: (1) Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. Ray has been in several different videos with other YouTube members, such as The Annoying Orange, Michael Buckley, etc, and of course you have articles for him; I'm not mentioning the show he does on his own. (2) Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following. 2 million + subscribers. (3) Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. Ray's viral video reviewing has led to multiple Internet memes, some even listed on the page; such as Double Rainbow and the Scarface as a School Play. Now tell me, how does Merton have a large cult following? How has Kip Kay contributed to the field of entertainment? It seems quite obvious to me how Ray has influenced YouTube, much more so than the Laughing Baby.--Architeuthidae (Talk | Contributions) 05:07, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, I am proposing this article for deletion, because there is insufficient coverage in reliable, third-party sources. To answer your objections: 1.) This discussion is about his show, not about him. 2.) See WP:BIG. 3.) Again, sources? Also, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
Or, to sum it up: This discussion is not about Mr. Johnson nor is it relevant whether other subjects have articles. What is relevant is that this subject has not received any significant coverage at all which is what is required by our notability guidelines. If you can show us that such coverage exists, I would be happy to change my opinion. Regards So Why 16:46, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I give up. Delete it.--Architeuthidae (Talk | Contributions) 21:51, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I don't think it meets the criteria for deletion regarding notability, although it might be written like an advertisement. mechamind90 08:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- How is it written like an advertisement?--Architeuthidae (Talk | Contributions) 21:51, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- This article should NOT be deleted. As stated above, =3 is an important part of modern society. With more than 1.5 million followers on facebook, he is obviously significant. And yes the page is about the show, and not him, but nigahiga is not the name of the individuals, but rather their group, so it seems only natural that we keep this page. I can do significant work on it and and ad source if I really have to, but this article should definitely be kept. And also would somebody please remove the thing about it being like an advertisement. I really want to but I know I'll get in trouble. Skyeliam (Talk | Contributions) 15:31, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Adding to reliable sources. Skyeliam (Talk | Contributions) 15:39, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Skyeliam, the numbers of fans on Facebook is irrelevant. If you can't prove his notability with third party references, then you are certainly are not going to prove his notability with the number of fans he has on Facebook. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 01:16, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Lacks extensive coverage by reliable sources, having a number of subscribers/ watchers is neither reliable nor notable.--Terrillja _talk 14:04, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Strong Delete What makes this show notable? This article needs to be dumped. Once an article is deleted, it shouldn't respawn like it has. This article used to be called RayWilliamJohnson, but the article was deleted. Now it's come back! Just to remind you, Delete immediately and make it a strong one.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.79.52 (talk) 16:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC) —Edited by 82.13.79.52 (talk) 08:40, 01 December 2010 (GMT)[reply]
Strong Delete May be popular on YouTube but outside of that there is little coverage of this show. Like above views and subs on YouTube does not equal notability. Kyle1278 20:53, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I just want to say, yes, maybe on your policy it doesn't, but in real life, having two million plus subscribers does equal notability.--Architeuthidae (Talk | Contributions) 22:10, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If he is so notable in "real life" there should be no problem finding reliable source covering him. Kyle1278 02:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete Both are not suitable references. If he or his show doesn't get coverage in third party reliable sources to show his or the shows notability, then that right there proves Ray William Johnson or "Equals Three" isn't notable. Seriously, what impact has he or his show made to make him notable? He just talks about videos that have something in common. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!}

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