Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Defensor (Transformers)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Protectobot. Stifle (talk) 08:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Defensor (Transformers)

This character does not establish notability independent of its series. Without coverage in reliable third party sources, it is just made up of unnecessary content. TTN (talk) 22:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fancruft. VG ☎ 22:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's a stub that's being fleshed out about a fictional character who has appeared in several different media over the last 23 years. It's notable enough for an article. Mathewignash (talk) 01:29, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fleshing out primary information does not assert any sort of notability. You need to add some sort of reception or cultural impact in order to get anywhere. TTN (talk) 01:50, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Like the high prices the rare versions of the Defensor toy has fetched on ebay? I've linked to articles written about it. Mathewignash (talk) 02:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fleshing out? Since July of last year? That's plenty of time to establish basic notability. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 11:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Transformers where this character has its notability. Outside that universe, there is none. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mergeto Protectobot, the "team" article for this combo-Transformer 70.51.8.75 (talk) 05:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the article to a more relevant parent article, whether that's Protectobot or Transformers. Page has had well over a year and still has not formed basic notability. Suggests that the topic probably cannot establish notability. If you're that determined to have the page, I suggest working on it in a sandbox and getting everything fix there before putting it in the mainspace. Remember, there is no deadline, so there's no rush to have this page exist. If there is no notability now, there may be some 5 months, a year from now. BUT, since we cannot predict the future, the page should be merged till that happens. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 11:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Protectobot. There's really no need to have separate articles for every Transformers character, as the overwhelming majority have no notability beyond the series. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 11:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly if this is to be merged, merging it to protectobot looks better than 'transformers' which is far too broad. If you merged every defensor-like machine into the transformers article it would cease to be concise. Since Defensor is described in Protectobot, it seems appropriate. However, from what I can see, there are several generations of robots with this name. If they are all Protectobot then no problem, but if there is a non-protectobot version of Defensor then where will that be described? Certainly a redirect if a merge is done. Personally I don't see the trouble with having an individual article for this character, though since Megazord redirects to Zord I do see the point. Tyciol (talk) 21:05, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are actually different characters named Defensor. The first is the Generation 1 Protectobot character, the second is the US reissue of Sixturbo, also called the Protectobots, the third is the super robot mode of the unreleased Hot Spot toy from Botcon. So they could all three be put on those seperate pages, and this page turned into a quick short link page saying "if you are looking for xxx see page yyy." Perhaps make it redirect to the Defensor disambiguation, and have that page have links to the Protectobots page and the Hot Spot pages. Mathewignash (talk) 01:44, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I can see that that is a problem; however I seriously doubt that any of them have any real world notability. This sort of material may be appropriate for a Transformers wiki, but not here. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 15:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and rewrite the article. Drakesketchit (talk) 17:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.